Screams lack of popularity?

Saturday, August 30, 2003 12:54 PM
It seems to me that everytime I've been to SFMM since Scream has opened (2 times) it never has a long line. I know it gets people through the line fast, but ive waited at the full queue at it was only 30 minutes for the front row.( Compare that to RR front row wait time) Is Scream not that popular to the GP or is it the location of the ride. It seems it is hidden away from the main midway and maybe the GP can't find the ride as easily as other major rides like B:TR and RR.
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Saturday, August 30, 2003 12:56 PM
It is kind of tucked away from the midway, but there's no way in heck you can't know it's there. Anyone who parks in the parking lot can plainly see it.

It could have to do with the fact that it wasn't hyped all that much. I know they did some advertising for it, but nothing like X and DV.

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Saturday, August 30, 2003 1:52 PM
Location, location, location. It is WAY off the main loop of the park. People never really linger in the area or feel a strong need to ride it a second time. Add the fact that it has a very high theoretical PPH, and you end up with a short line. It tends to be a crowd pleaser, however, for the peeps who find it.

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Saturday, August 30, 2003 2:07 PM
People aren't as stupid as we think. The ride just isn't very interesting.
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Saturday, August 30, 2003 2:29 PM
I just made a trip to Magic Mountain a few weeks ago and Scream was one of the highlights of my trip. I thought it was a awesome coaster. I think its capacity is one reason why it has the shortest line. When I was there only Viper and Scream were running at full capacity, which is probably why all the other waits were alot longer then Screams wait.

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Saturday, August 30, 2003 3:45 PM
Its not anything special and its just slapped in the parking lot. I'm sure its a pretty good ride but I just never thought that really fit in with SFMM's lineup. I personally think they should move it to SFGam for the 05 season. Why? Because a floorless would fit better SFGam's lineup and could save Six Flags capital investment dollars for the 05 season.
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Saturday, August 30, 2003 3:51 PM
For one thing X is a tough act to follow. X is still the new ride everybody wants to ride.
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Saturday, August 30, 2003 4:54 PM

Scream Machine said:
Its not anything special and its just slapped in the parking lot. I'm sure its a pretty good ride but I just never thought that really fit in with SFMM's lineup. I personally think they should move it to SFGam for the 05 season. Why? Because a floorless would fit better SFGam's lineup and could save Six Flags capital investment dollars for the 05 season.

i have never read a post so stupid!.......ok i have! but what you said makes no sense. SFMM just got scream!..and they would never move it....and why wouldnt you wait for a custome Floorless like BKF or Kraken?...in say maybe 06.....Possibly O5..plus there would be like the same floorless coaster 8-10hrs away! aka Medusa (East)

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Saturday, August 30, 2003 7:29 PM
Wait, this ride is basically the same as Medusa at SFGAdv, right? That's my favorite floorless to date. I can't imagine it's all that different.

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Saturday, August 30, 2003 7:44 PM
Layout wise, it is identical, but when you mirror a ride and riders take the elements in the complete opposite direction, the sensations and experience is still quite different.
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Saturday, August 30, 2003 9:51 PM
When I was at SFMM early July there wasnt along wait maybe 5 min for the last row I was woundering why when I got on and once I got off I was really woundering why. I love this ride it was fantastic Maybe cause it was my first floorless. A few days later I went to SFMW and rode Medusa short wait again and again a great ride, I Would love to see a floorless at SFGAm how great would that be?
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Saturday, August 30, 2003 10:36 PM
First off, SFGAm is 6hrs west of me, SFGAdv is 9hrs east of me... thats about 15hrs between the parks... not something I'd consider to be in "competing markets"... But, BKF is only 8-9hrs from Medusa east... why would a floorless 6 hours the other direction be a problem? (here's another reason CP might get a floorless, to make people get the same thing there instead of going elsewhere)

Next, Scream! wasn't built when I was there in 02... duh... so I don't know if I'd like it... But Medusa seemed rather uneventful to me... Then again, I didn't like any of the rides at GAdv very much... nor did I like the rides at MM (yes the both have a couple good ones, but nothing worth another visit)

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Sunday, August 31, 2003 7:11 AM

kRaXLeRidAh said:
...when you mirror a ride and riders take the elements in the complete opposite direction, the sensations and experience is still quite different.

I think that's nonsense, but I suppose you're entitled to your opinion.

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Sunday, August 31, 2003 7:37 AM

Soggy said:
Location, location, location. It is WAY off the main loop of the park. People never really linger in the area or feel a strong need to ride it a second time. Add the fact that it has a very high theoretical PPH, and you end up with a short line. It tends to be a crowd pleaser, however, for the peeps who find it.

Absolutely. Last time I went to SFMM, it was much more crowded than I had expected, and I ended up only riding Scream. The folks I was on the ride with had just gotten done riding X, and after the cycle on Scream, all but one of them claimed Scream was the best ride in the park, far surpassing X.

I told them they were high, but they weren't listening :)

Note: These folks also didn't like In 'n' Out, so all opinions are suspect.

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Sunday, August 31, 2003 8:38 AM

Jeff said:

kRaXLeRidAh said:
...when you mirror a ride and riders take the elements in the complete opposite direction, the sensations and experience is still quite different.

I think that's nonsense, but I suppose you're entitled to your opinion.


The more I think about it... it would actually make SOME difference: Our body is generally symetrical, but for example when people kiss, it has been studied that the GP tilts their head to the right - so we seem to have some preference as to which we we like to tilt more.
I actually think it makes some difference if the 0G-roll rolls to the left or the right.
On the other hand, this difference is still far less than, let's say, the difference between Batman the Ride or Riddler and Scream.

Just a thought.
*** This post was edited by superman 8/31/2003 12:45:30 PM ***

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Sunday, August 31, 2003 5:30 PM
I'm not sure if I'd agree that preference of spinning is really an issue on a ride. I'd imagine that it's the same sensation in either direction, really.

Then again I'm right handed and skateboard goofy foot, so I'm not sure if I'm the right person to talk to about directional preferences.

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Sunday, August 31, 2003 6:35 PM

Coaster File said:
For one thing X is a tough act to follow. X is still the new ride everybody wants to ride.

Xactly. The fact that the ride is a clone or that there is a floorless at SFMW about 5hrs away has nothing to do with the lack of popularity. The problem is (which isn't really a problem) that X does basically everything that Scream or any other looping coaster and to an even greater extent. My cousin and some of his friends and parents went to SFMM over the summer (they live near San Jose in Norcal) and my cousin told me that after going on X it was like all the other rides at the park were pointless because it does everything they do and more...

The funny thing is, that after I rode X back in April of 02' I had the same feeling. I even lost excitement for S:UF which was opening later in the week on back at my homepark SFOG. After riding it my worries were soothed a little bit that I wasn't completely jaded by X. But since X, nearly every looping coaster I went on for that summer seemed very underwhelming. At SFMM I think this is a feeling many of the guests have. What good is Scream when compared to X, which is taller, faster, steeper, and completely different than anything seen before?

Thats where CP was smarter than SFMM. Since the addition of Mean Streak every ride has had its own unique features the others don't. SFMM has themselves in a bind where anything they build is going to cost a chunk load of cash to differentiate itself from X. In my opinion the only things that would hugely varry from X, that are known designs, would be some sort of mega woodie, like 200ft+, an Intamin Rocket or S&S Thrust Air (which wouldn't exactly be very reliable and SFMM is already full of issues with relaibility), or a straight giga coaster which doesn't help Goliath's cause. Maybe a B&M flyer, but I really think that will have the same type problems as Scream getting attention. SFMM is just plain screwd with X being there. They got the best coaster on the planet, but it's so much better than everything else it hurts itself.

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Sunday, August 31, 2003 7:01 PM

Topgun1993 said:
It seems to me that everytime I've been to SFMM since Scream has opened (2 times) it never has a long line.

And that's a bad thing? I would think that short lines are a good thing.


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