Save The Zippin Pippin

Monday, October 6, 2008 4:02 PM

That is not what David Spade told me. I have the neural counter-petition to prove it!

BTW, sorry about the constipation. ;)


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Monday, October 6, 2008 4:18 PM
Lord Gonchar's avatar

All I'm saying is that in addition to the validity issues already mentioned that there's a big difference between clicking a link while surfing the net to 'support' something and getting someone to sign a real-life, in-person petition.

People tend to care more when the cost to them to do so is low.

On top of that online petitions get spread to the special interest groups that would support them anyway. There's also a big difference in getting the general population to support a cause vs getting people with a vested interest in the cause to support it.

I guess I just think there's a world of difference in an electronic petition circulated among enthusiast boards and 'signed' by 70 people to save the Pippin and an actual physical petition presented to potential signers in front of the ride that garned 70 signatures from people passing by.

I have no hesitation when I claim that the petition linked to in the first post of this topic is meaningless (especially with just 70 'signatures') and will do absolutely nothing in the effort to Save the Zippin Pippin.


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Monday, October 6, 2008 4:50 PM
janfrederick's avatar

Well, I'm sure Vater has a better chance of getting that bran muffin. ;)

Last edited by janfrederick, Monday, October 6, 2008 4:51 PM
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Monday, October 6, 2008 5:40 PM

Well, you'll all laugh when I get my $5000 from Bill Gates.

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Monday, October 6, 2008 7:30 PM

Gonch, do you think a physical petition would any fare any better in its impact than an electronic version?

I fail to see what difference it makes whether the population drawn from to sign the petition is a group of "enthusiasts" or a more general community. It's still people. X number of enthusiasts = X number of GP. If 5,000 hamburger lovers sign a petition to make hamburger the official meat patty of the state of Ohio, that doesn't make it any less valid than if 5,000 hamburger-neutral participants signed the same petition.


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Monday, October 6, 2008 8:36 PM
Lord Gonchar's avatar

Ensign Smith said:
Gonch, do you think a physical petition would any fare any better in its impact than an electronic version?

Yeah, I kind of do. But only because of the increased validity of the signatures and the base which the signees would be drawn from.

I fail to see what difference it makes whether the population drawn from to sign the petition is a group of "enthusiasts" or a more general community. It's still people. X number of enthusiasts = X number of GP. If 5,000 hamburger lovers sign a petition to make hamburger the official meat patty of the state of Ohio, that doesn't make it any less valid than if 5,000 hamburger-neutral participants signed the same petition.

You're just messing with me now, aren't you?

Last edited by Lord Gonchar, Monday, October 6, 2008 8:37 PM
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Tuesday, October 7, 2008 10:40 AM

Well, somebody has to . . . I just drew the short straw yesterday. ;)


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Tuesday, October 7, 2008 6:36 PM
ApolloAndy's avatar

eightdotthree said:
Why has it been SBNO?

I thought you were referring to Vater's colon.


Hobbes: "What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do?"
Calvin: "If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun."

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Tuesday, October 7, 2008 8:29 PM
a_hoffman50's avatar

He wasn't?

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Tuesday, October 7, 2008 9:22 PM
Vater's avatar

So did I, at first. Not operating, yes, but standing? Uhh...

7 supporters so far. Only a few hundred more and I can afford that muffin...

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Friday, October 10, 2008 9:35 AM

Online petitions do help. When I first turned in my Save Joyland Petition it was a mix of online and physical signatures. They were clearly marked and evident as to where they came from. I had around 400 online signatures and 300 physical signatures. Anyway after months and months of ignoring me the mayor finally talked with me. So it helped to get his attention and make more people aware.


Save Joyland at www.savejoyland.com

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Friday, October 10, 2008 12:33 PM
Vater's avatar

I wonder if you would have had the same results if all 700 signatures were online.

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Friday, October 10, 2008 12:37 PM
Lord Gonchar's avatar

Didja get your bran muffin yet?


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Friday, October 10, 2008 12:38 PM
rollergator's avatar

^I think Gonch's argument is "no, it would have less impact". Personally, I have to agree...physical signatures are infinitely more likely to come from LOCAL people, and they (should) carry more weight...theoretically.

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Friday, October 10, 2008 12:55 PM
Lord Gonchar's avatar

You agree with me a lot more than you're comfortable with, don't you Gator? ;)


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Friday, October 10, 2008 1:01 PM
Vater's avatar

Lord Gonchar said:
Didja get your bran muffin yet?

Not yet, but I think at least my point was proven. Sort of. Only 7 signatures, but that's 7 more than 0.

I is smart, no?

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Friday, October 10, 2008 1:51 PM
rollergator's avatar

Lord Gonchar said:You agree with me a lot more than you're comfortable with, don't you Gator? ;)

I agree with whatever arguments seem the most persuasive. You are quite the debater and make solid, convincing arguments. I'd only be uncomfortable if I were forced to go along when I didn't agree - otherwise, I'm happy. Sill wouldn't touch Palin with a "10' poll". ;)

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Friday, October 10, 2008 4:07 PM
ApolloAndy's avatar

7 is 7 more than 0? Can you go over that one again?


Hobbes: "What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do?"
Calvin: "If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun."

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Friday, October 10, 2008 4:34 PM
Carrie M.'s avatar

8 is more than 7. Good thing I jumped on the bran wagon.


"If passion drives you, let reason hold the reins." --- Benjamin Franklin

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Friday, October 10, 2008 5:20 PM

Nine! Looks like the start of a bran new day!


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