RR at SF:MM

I say a Show in Riddler's Revenge and thought it looked likea very intense and Extremely Long coaster. Personally I don't Like stand up coasters put how is this one Rough? Painful? Fun??

It's my favorite standup followed by Georgia Scorcher with Chang, Mantis, Iron Wolf, Vortex distantly behind.

I think Standups are better served with the long sweeping layouts. The tight transitions are best left to inverts, although SFoG does an amazing job of keeping Scorcher running very smoothly.

Very smooth, very graceful, and lots of fun. One of B&M's best stand-ups.

The best stand-up I have ever set foot on. IMO Riddler is the second best coaster at Magic Mountain. I am amazed at how much it keeps it's speed with all those large inversions. I've not ridden all the standups, but I think its probably one of the smoothest out there. Care to comment gator?

The Riddler's Revenge is by far the best stand-up coaster I've been on. Not only is it the tallest, fastest, loopiest and longest of it's kind, it's also the smoothest and most graceful. Its transitions and elements are intense, but not intense enough to produce a discomfort in riders. It's also a VERY long ride. It has the longest track length of any B&M coaster that turns riders upsidedown - and that includes all their inverted coasters, stand-ups, floorless coasters and traditional sit-downs!

I find that this coaster is an even better ride when standing with a slight bend of the knees and feet slightly forward, as opposed to standing competely straight up.

Front row gets the best visuals, and the back row enjoys a surprise pop of airtime just after the midcourse brake.

Ditto to all of the above. It's easily better than Vortex, Mantis, and Chang.

One-Half of the park's truly world-class coaster collection. its pretty good, best stand-up out there

Although I like the Georgia Scorcher a little more, Riddler's Revenge is definitely my favorite of the larger B&M stand-ups. Although I do remember it having a rather strange queue setup in the station.

Georgia Scorcher is by far the best stand-up that B&M made. Riddler's Revenge seems to me as a project to see how many loops they could put into a circuit fro a stand-up. Sure the first half is fun, but by midway you start to get ADD and forget you are still riding. I might be jadded though, but I did not think that it was anything to write home to Mom about (she was actually riding with me ;)) and it was nothing more than another credit to me (now up to 387 :)).

Riddler's, while lots of fun, was probaby my second favorite B&M stand-up, and my 3rd overall. And I've yet to ride Georgia Scorcher. My favorite stand-up is currently King Cobra (R.I.P.), yes, I like Togo.

I prefer Change to RR, but that is just me. I've ridden Vortex @ PCar, Iron Wolf, Chang, Mantis, and RR. I hope to have Georgia Scorcher this year.

Riddler's is really a great coaster, different in the way of stand-ups. It is definitly worth a small wait to ride.

RRev is the *singular* big stand-up. The rest have aged POORLY, and I'm trying to be kind...the coaster I'm tempted to compare it to in terms of layout is the floorless at GL, BKFinator. It really WORKS, has plenty of high-g turns and graceful swooping curves. (I guess that's where Swoosh gets bored, LOL). For me, those track sections without inversions, like Scorcher, are *really* well deisgned and run near-flawlessly.

I don't care much for the breed, but Scorcher is the *clone-able* one, Riddler's is just unique and still loving it....why don't Chang, Mantis, and all the other POS stand-ups run like THAT one?

P.S. Actually, of the three Togos, theirs are 2 out of 3 as far as aging well and providing FUN smooth rides....can't say that about the Beemers....which don't do enough of the bunny-hopping and have NONE of the trick-track. Clint needs to get to PCW, stat... ;)

^Actually I like the swooping. That's why I really like Scorcher's ending. RR just has too many inversions for my liking.

OK, I gotcha...LOL, corkscrews, flat spins, call 'em whatever ya like, I find them WAY overused and not as fun as parks seem to think. Are loads of inversions really THAT important? For every inverting steel coaster?

After the MCBR, I'd have done more of an out-n-back section and skipeed the *blessed* 'screws in favor of some airtime....it really DOES work on stand-ups (provided you keep your parts and the seat parts separated).... ;)

I used to think RRv would go downhill *significantly* like the other older ones....it hasn't, and neither has Scorcher....maybe B&M learned something about stand-up design JUST as the breed was dying off? It's a thought....

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rollergator said:
RRev is the *singular* big stand-up. The rest have aged POORLY, and I'm trying to be kind...the coaster I'm tempted to compare it to in terms of layout is the floorless at GL, BKFinator. It really WORKS, has plenty of high-g turns and graceful swooping curves. (I guess that's where Swoosh gets bored, LOL). For me, those track sections without inversions, like Scorcher, are *really* well deisgned and run near-flawlessly.

I don't care much for the breed, but Scorcher is the *clone-able* one, Riddler's is just unique and still loving it....why don't Chang, Mantis, and all the other POS stand-ups run like THAT one?

P.S. Actually, of the three Togos, theirs are 2 out of 3 as far as aging well and providing FUN smooth rides....can't say that about the Beemers....which don't do enough of the bunny-hopping and have NONE of the trick-track. Clint needs to get to PCW, stat... ;)

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How is Chang a POS? Maybe it's just me but Chang usually runs really well. Although I haven't ridden it this year (a pro slide tornado to me doesn't seem to justify buying a pass) it has run really well. The only parts that are "rough" would be the inclined loop which (I think it has to do with the intesity of the g's) and the turn going into the first corckscrew. Other than that it is very fast and intense.

Bill doesn't know what he's talking bout, Chang is infinitly better than Riddler's.

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For just a slightly different opinion...I thought it was just OK. I personally have *never* had a problem with roughness on rides like Mantis, and I absolutely adored King Kobra at PKI. Chang, with its dull ending, compared to Mantis's at least, was a pretty big let down for me. I really enjoyed Iron Wolf as well but I've only had 2 rides on it.

I don't want it to sound like I'm nuts for stand-ups or anything (really...I'm not) but for me RR just didn't have the pacing and intensity that I want in a looping coaster. My favorite looping coaster is Fire Dragon at IOA so that may be more indicative of where my taste lies.

RR is a really fantastic coaster. It's big, it's fast, and it is rather intense. When I rode mantis in cedar point, I was like dang these things are rough (that was my first stand up). A couple of years later I rode Riddler at my home park Magic mountain and thought it was amazing, and 3 years ago I went to Georgia and rode the scorcher. Scorcher is way to short for me, but it was still kinda fun. The point is no other Stand up coaster anywhere and certainly not made by Togo can match the coolness of the Riddler's Revenge.

Only my opinion!

I haven't gotten a chance to get to RR, but, If it's anything like the Scorcher in terms of intensity, I think I'll love it.

I can never get enough of that back section of the Scorcher, it's just too much fun.

- Josh

The back seat on the riddler is also loads of fun and there is a sudden instance of air time coming of the Mid Course Brake Run. It's great!