I'm a superstar cause I'm on Discovery too!
It's a great idea, not unlike coastergallery.com selling photos but the are so many legal issues to take into consideration that it usually can't be done. To my understanding Robb has been doing this (selling videos) for a few years now.
I have tons of videos and pics of very high quality that I'd love to sell to other enthusiasts but worry about the legal issues. As far as my understanding goes the rides are basically park property and any monetary gain from using their property without permission is sure to land you in court.
So how's he do it year after year?
The parks own copyrights, and logos. Take your own photos and videos. Don't take them off of someone else's site, and dont scan stuff in promotional material. It's then your property and yours to sell.
"Reality" is the only word in the language which should always be used in quotes.
I'm not sure on the technical details on a full skyline but for individual buildings that are privately owned (not government or public property) cannot be photgraphed without permission. I know this one because I've been stopped more than once.
It all comes down to public vs private property. I couldn't come onto your lawn and take photos of your house and sell them without your permission. I could stay on public property and do the same however; you'd still at least have a case in court if I profit from the image of your home but whether you'd win or not is a whole different issue.
Basically my understanding of the laws (I enjoy photography) is that anything taken from inside the parks would need permission to sell (not personal use) and anything from public property would be a grey area at best.
*** This post was edited by GregLeg on 11/27/2001. ***
Not sure of the actual rules concerning video though. I'd imagine they're roughly the same.
Like I said before, I have a high interest in this because I have hundreds of pics I could sell and hours of video footage that's equally good. Yes I plan on doing a site eventually (procrastination sucks) but if I could simply profit from these rather than just sharing them I'd be a happy guy.
So far I've seen no one be able to do it. I imagine Robb's videos either slip under the radar or are a small enough deal that perhaps the parks don't care.
Still I'm the type of guy that's not exactly looking forward to receiving cease and desist letters from park lawyers... no matter how slim the chance.
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One must have model releases for any recognizable face in a photograph you intend to profit from.
Robb gets away with selling his videotape because it's not a profit-making venture...proceeds from the sale of the tape are not sufficient to cover the production and mailing costs, and therefore it is not a commercial venture.
Whether that is adequate legal protection or not, I couldn't tell you. But that's his argument.
--Dave Althoff, Jr.
The one way around this is if you're shooting something for a bona fide news story and presenting it as such. News organizations need to make money, sure, but they aren't doing so by outright selling the media to the consumer.
I don't think anyone is going to care that Robb sells a couple dozen copies of his tape, but if he did a lot more I wouldn't want to be in his position.
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I guess my answer is that he's simply slipping under the radar at this point.
Addition -- a few people asked me why this bothers me when he does a good job securing the camera. The answer is simple -- it sets a bad precindent. I took some pictures of Phantom's Revenge from the top of Pittfall *WITH* persmission of the park, and as I was getting off we spotted some people who DIDN'T have permission taking pictures. Why? "Because we thought it was Ok". So imagine what happens when random people spot a video camera in use... Said random people might think "Hey, look at that, it's Ok" and NOT take the same precautions Robb does. Rules are there for a reason; I'm NOT bad-mouthing Robb here, because he DOES produce excellent quality videos, but I AM stating some concern over SOME of thst footage.
*** This post was edited by GregLeg on 11/27/2001. ***
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Taking video & photos on ride is STUPID, I don't care who you are, what you do, why you do it, why you feel like it's OK that you do it. As for a camera going on Acrophobia, we rode the first week that thing was open, & I almost didn't get to ride because of my glasses. I cannot see without them, riding something would make me sick. The ops told me NO GLASSES, even though mine were script, and strapped. They had to physicaly check them & make a decision based off that. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near that ride with somebody up there with a video camera. YOU may be able to secure something, but how does the park KNOW that people can, they can't be assured 100%, so that's why they usually aren't allowed(for most people). I wait for next trains when I see guys getting to tote cameras, I will not ride with people filming.
As for selling vids, he could always just sell "shells" with "protective sleeves", postage, packaging, and the video shells just happen to have material on them for "Not for sale purposes", and you'll get no slack. I've been watching bootleg anime tapes for years and that's how it's done, LOL.
*** This post was edited by p_c_r on 12/1/2001. ***
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