Question for Jeff (about water coasters)

Sunday, April 15, 2001 2:21 PM
I was just curious in the parks section why BuzzSaw Falls is considered a roller coaster, but in Sea World Florida's section, Journey to Atlantis isn't?

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-Glitchey
Will be at Busch Gardens Williamsburg April 27th.
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Sunday, April 15, 2001 4:47 PM
I haven't seen even a photo of Atlantis, so I don't know what it's about. I've seen Buzzsaw, and in my opinion it's a coaster. You're free to disagree, but it won't change what's in the database.

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Jeff
Webmaster/Admin - CoasterBuzz.com
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Sunday, April 15, 2001 4:57 PM
Ok, but I've seen the full onride of BuzzSaw Falls and I've been on Journey to Atlantis, and Atlantis seems to an even better coaster ending than BuzzSaw. They seem about the same to me (take out the helix stuff that BuzzSaw has in the middle) but they both have drops on track at the end...

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-Glitchey
Will be at Busch Gardens Williamsburg April 27th.
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Sunday, April 15, 2001 4:58 PM
ACE's Guide-To-The-Ride 2000 considers Buzz Saw Falls a coaster but doesn't consider JTA a coaster. I haven't been on either, but I'm just telling what it says there.

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"I traded my soul for a ride on Millennium Force"
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Sunday, April 15, 2001 5:00 PM
Also don't forget Dudley-Do-Right at IOA. That thing is pretty darn coaster-ish if you ask me.

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Don't touch the watch.
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Sunday, April 15, 2001 6:08 PM
I have never been on either ride. I have seen both via the Discovery and/or Travel channel.

Buzz Saw looks to me that it is riding on track which is NOT submerged by water in most places. The only time the track is submerged is at the bottom of a hill.

While the JTA boats run on, what appears to be, very similar track, the track itself is underwater for most of the ride; the end being the only time the track is not submerged.
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Monday, April 16, 2001 9:24 AM
Splash Mountain at DL has a surprise rollercoaster element in the middle (little down and up and down action)...Add it too! ;)

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Monday, April 16, 2001 11:36 AM
I agree with what GandC had to say. I've only ridden JTA and not Buzzsaw falls. JTA definately had some coaster elements in it but the majority of the ride is like a flume style. I don't recall noticing the track at all until the end, it really suprised me as I was still expecting just a flume. The track is submerged for the majority of the ride but that grand finale is 100% coaster. I am of the mindset that I really don't care if this is considered a coaster or not. On the other hand people mentioning Splash Mountain and Dudley Do Right, I don't think those even come close to being considered a coaster. I haven't ridden Dudley but Splash Mountain is a flume ride period.

A little piece of advice for anyone about to ride JTA. That big hill that you see while waiting in line is not the one that gets you soaked. It's the little one right after that. So if you want to stay dry don't sit in the front (I did and it was chilly that day, therefore I only rode once).

the Incidentalist
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Monday, April 16, 2001 11:36 AM
I agree with what GandC had to say. I've only ridden JTA and not Buzzsaw falls. JTA definately had some coaster elements in it but the majority of the ride is like a flume style. I don't recall noticing the track at all until the end, it really suprised me as I was still expecting just a flume. The track is submerged for the majority of the ride but that grand finale is 100% coaster. I am of the mindset that I really don't care if this is considered a coaster or not. On the other hand people mentioning Splash Mountain and Dudley Do Right, I don't think those even come close to being considered a coaster. I haven't ridden Dudley but Splash Mountain is a flume ride period.

A little piece of advice for anyone about to ride JTA. That big hill that you see while waiting in line is not the one that gets you soaked. It's the little one right after that. So if you want to stay dry don't sit in the front (I did and it was chilly that day, therefore I only rode once).

the Incidentalist
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Monday, April 16, 2001 11:37 AM
A quote from Blackpool Pleasure Beach's official website: Valhalla - "High speed, water coaster in the dark."
http://www.blackpoolpleasurebeach.com
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May/June 2001 - 16 parks in 18 days!!!
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Monday, April 16, 2001 11:55 AM

Incidentalist said:
"On the other hand people mentioning Splash Mountain and Dudley Do Right, I don't think those even come close to being considered a coaster. I haven't ridden Dudley but Splash Mountain is a flume ride period. "


Dudly-Do-Right, while it may use some type of track, I believe it is simply there to keep the "logs" from going airborn during that final drop with a bit of a "bunny hop" at the end. While it it is the most fun flume ride I have ever been on, calling it a coaster never even entered my mind.

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"Twenty three stories tall, painted grey, and the old people said termites was eatin' it up..."
- From Bill Cosby's "Rolland and the Rollercoaster"
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Monday, April 16, 2001 1:06 PM
I was kidding by the way. But I must say, the little "hop" is a really cool element. Hmmm...how about this for a definition (New American Heritage Dictionary):


roller coaster n - A steep, sharply curving elevated railway with small open passenger cars that is operated at high speeds as a ride, especially in an amusement park.


Although Splash Mountain is a gravity/water ride, I don't think it would qualify by the above definition. ;)


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*** This post was edited by janfrederick on 4/16/2001. *** *** This post was edited by janfrederick on 4/16/2001. ***
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Monday, April 16, 2001 1:31 PM
Dudley-Do-Right's a flume, not a coaster. It has two sections of coaster track, but has flume cars and flume elements, and flume water. It's 95% flume, so flume it's called.
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