Question about Werner Stengel

OK, this man designs coasters for anyone that approaches him. (B&M, Intamin, etc.) He designed Nitro at SFGAdv. and the new Goliath in holland and Ex. Ge-Force at Holiday Park. I ask why he gives all of these Amazing designs to Intamin then the boring (not really boring but not as intense) ones to B&M. if he designed nitro shouldnt it be a little like others that he disgined? Or does he design by what he knows about what the company it capable of? thanks in advance.

Well thats what SFGADV wanted, something not that intense, I'm sure it's a great ride as is.

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yes it is a great ride and in some points it is intense, but it seems that Intamin-Werner Stengel coasters seem alot more intense and varied in layout.

First of all, have you ridden Goliath or Expedition Ge-Force in order to compare their respective intensities with Nitro's?

Second, if we're only discussing hypercoasters (and junior hypers), what was the level of Stengel's involvement in the design of each of these coasters? He hasn't been the main designer on every coaster he has worked on.

Third, you have to take into consideration the difference in train designs when comparing Intamin and B&M hypercoasters. The B&M design not only has riders sitting at a higer position over the track itself than does Intamin, but it also reclines passengers slightly, and allows for the passengers' feet to dangle. That creates an extremely smooth sensation for passengers, and might reduce the feeling of "intensity," even in something as small as your feet not being able to feel resistance against the floor of the train when pulling higher G's.

To sum up - maybe it's not so much the different layout designs, as it is train design. Maybe it's the presence of mid-course brakes on B&M hypers... You're making a generalization based on very few examples. Stengel also participated in the design of Riddler's Revenge, Alpengeist, and The Hulk, and those aren't kiddie rides.

He also deisgned Speed: The Ride for Premier Rides and its pretty intense especially the overbanked turn.

He also designed MF, Goliath (SFMM), and SOB all for the 2000 season. I'd say he was busy for they better part of 1998-1999 on those three. I think he also had a hand in Collosos at Heide Park, but I'm not certain. He's like the huge coaster guy...probably makes a pretty penny too. :)

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The man is pretty good at making elements on a rollercoaster. Whether he is the main designer or just participates/consults with the designers, each coaster he does just gets better and better. I have ridden Goliath, Expedition Ge-Force and they are both like a Millenium Force that does something, well, alot more than most rollercoasters. Steep first drops (70 and 82 degrees), super smooth, and jammed packed full of many different elements and incredible forceful airtime (like the last three hills of SuperROS's (SFA and SFDL) on every hill.

I haven't ridden Nitro yet but I have ridden Raging Bull, Apollo's Chariot and Silver Star. It too is a very awesome rollercoaster. Mostly huge drops and swooping turns. . . but there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It is also very intense and fun. Silver Star looks very identical to Nitro (albeit bigger) and is a huge hit here in Germany/Europe.

The seat differences between the two types might make a difference but I believe it's the track. The huge B&M track on huge hypers or of that size limits what it can do. Intamin's smaller track allows it to twist and bend more. I haven't seen a 70 or 75 degree B&M drop yet, Intamin has plenty above that. Intamin sure does like overbanked turns of 120 degrees, where's B&M? A zero-gravity roll rocks in B&M's floorless designs, so what happened Intamin? Each has their pluses and minuses. I do not believe in any one being better over the other. To me, as long as they both keep making new and better rides like Silver Star or Expedition Ge-Force and improving, then I'll be all happy.

Yes, Werner Stengel is a good with any company he works with. I'm just waiting for the next one, doesn't matter what company, he does and feature a new element or improves an existing one. How about a bigger Expedition Ge-Force in the States. . .:)

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Genesis: Really? You haven't seen a 70 or 75 degree B&M drop? But have you seen the 87.5 degree drops on Oblivion and G5. ;)

Of course I know you're talking about hyper drops, but Silver Star and Nitro are around 66 to 70 if I'm not mistaken. Just be happy it's not like Titan or Goliath(SFMM) where it's 61 degrees. ;)

I'm a huge B&M fan, they're just sheer perfection. There needs to be more Nitros/Silver Stars, IMHO.

Now, Genesis, it seems like you're young and travel a lot, mind sparing me some cash to fly me to Europe? ;)

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I think he lives in Europe...

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No guy's...spare ME some money to go to the states. It's such a big dream of mine to finally ride all those magnificent coasters of which i'm obsessed with for years. Coasters are my life! I dare to say honestly that of every modern steel coaster in the States, i'm able to tell you the layout, height, speed etc etc. I think that the day i stand in front of Millennium Force, Nitro, X, Volcano or anything else, i'll actually cry out of happiness. You guys are so lucky overthere. But for the coming years i'm affraid i won't have the money, so i'll have to do with these pov's... *Snif * :'( (no one who could buy me a ticket and do a coastertour with me?)

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ok then guys, i apoligize, i have only ridden ntro and i was comparing them by design and not actual ride. i shouldve taken other tings into effect like train design, thatnks for your opinons anyway.

Well, I knew about those drops but like you said, The Jet Coaster, I was meaning B&M hyper drops. Nevertheless, Silver Star and Nitro's drops are steep enough. I wouldn't mind more Nitros/Silver Stars, either.

I wish I had the money to bring some of you guys over here. No, I do not live in Europe. . . and I actually am not here on vacation. I got sent here as part of a military mission (Operation Enduring Freedom) and have been in this part of the world since Dec. 2001 (If you haven't noticed, my website was last updated on Dec. 15 2001). Yes, quite a long time folks. . .

Knowing that I will never get the money to go to Europe in my life, I try to take advantage of this opportunity and visit places. I also try to send in trip reports when I can (although it is the rare ones that nobody replies to). I usually comment in these forums since it's quicker. So I'm here by military - I'm no rich kid or anything like that. I'm just doing my job and trying to bridge the gap in these forums.

Helios, I know what you mean, I have met hundreds and hundreds of people across Europe who dream of touching American soil. These people never seen a real dollar in their life or know how to operate a camera, or wish that gas costs $1.10/gallon, not $1.10 a liter like over here (3.8 liters = 1 gallon). They dream of going to Las Vegas, or LA, or Florida or whatever they see on TV or in a movie. People at the parks know that American rides are bigger and better. They have to take English while in school but they still feel left out. . .

I have learn alot living over here and it has been quite an experience so far. At the same time, I'm thankful for what I have and proud of what I've done.

I can't wait to get back home. . .

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Hahaha! I once met this guy from the States. He was doing a trip around Europe. When he was in Barcelona, he emailed me with the request if he could stay at my place (Utrecht/the Netherlands) because he had ran out of money. I thought it was ok. Lateron he emailed me if i could also buy him the planeticket from Barcelona to Amsterdam. Which i did (i'm too good for this world, i know *some sarcasm here*) At first he loved Amsterdam, but everytime i receive a mail from him now, he just has to mention how Amsterdam resembles Hell in his point of view haha! I thought it was quite funny to see the differences between Dutch and American culture. By the way, i don't know in which country you're now Genesis, but there are a lot of cultural differences between European countries aswell. Ever been to holland? I think you'd like the open mentality of people. So if you ever need a guide here..!

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Sorry for being off-topic all the time.. I guess i like socialising too much.

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I can not tell you my location for security purposes but yes, I have been to the Netherlands already. Yes, I like the open minded people from there and the Netherlanders helped me out quite a bit while I was in the country.

Yeah, there are alot of cultural differences between the different European countries. I noticed that right away with attitude towards Americans, their own culture, languages, conditions and lifestyles. Even in country sections (like East/West Germany) you can tell a huge difference. I mean, do you have a handy? How many languages do you speak? You're from the north so which form of Nederland/Dutch/Flemish do you speak? (I forgot). While driving throughout Netherlands, the names of cities where you are going can be confusing because of different languages within Holland word the names a different way or change a few letters. Amsterdam was, well, busy and a nice place to visit. Rotterdam was cool too. By the way, what is the second park that you've been to? Efteling?

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Languages? Euh... Official ones: English, French, German, (little bit of Thai, but that has nothing to do with Europe), Dutch and within Dutch some dialects like Zeeuws, Gronings, Fries. That last one is o completely different from regular Dutch, it regained a status as a 'language' rather than a dialect. By the way, the changing of citynames on the roadsigns probably occured in Belgium, because in the north they speak Flemish and in the south French. The second park was indeed the Efteling. I'm planning to visit Europapark somewhere in August (Silverstar here i come, my first B&M!)

But before getting way off topic again; CPgenius, Werner Stengel lives in Munich, Southern-Germany.

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The trick is to find a modern steel coaster that Werner DIDN'T have a hand in.

So if people like Stengel design coasters for B&M for example, what does Bolliger and Mallibiard (the people)do?

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To clear something up, B&M design the rides. They consult with Werner Stengel when it comes to G-Forces and such. I do know for a fact that Walter Bolliger designed NITRO, but consulted with Stengel on forces and things of that nature. Everyone seems to assume that Werner Stengel designs all rides. He does completely design some layouts, but other ones he just consults on and offers his opinions as to what goes where and such. But as far as B&M go, they design them, and Stengel adds his two cents to those designs for the best ride possible.

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Yeah, it probably was within Belgium that changing of citynames on the roadsigns occured. . . guess that's what I get from driving in so many different countries. Silver Star your first B&M? Well it's the biggest B&M (for sure your biggest coaster, bigger than Pepsi Max if you rode it) and one of the best, if not the best.

Wow! I didn't know Werner Stengel lives in Munchen/Munich, Germany. I should've said hi to him while I was there. :)

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