Problem on Cedar Fair Home Page

Tuesday, December 4, 2001 7:26 PM
Is it just me or is the Cedar Fair main page messed up?  If you look at the logo for Camp Snoopy at the Mall of America it looks like they used the Cedar Point Camp Snoopy logo.  Am I seeing things or did they use the wrong image?

http://www.cedarfair.com


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*** This post was edited by Valleyfair Fan on 12/5/2001. ***

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Tuesday, December 4, 2001 9:12 PM
What difference does it make? They have a Camp Snoopy now at most (all?) of the parks.

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Tuesday, December 4, 2001 9:28 PM
Jeff, according to your track record you haven't been up to Valleyfair or the Mall of America yet so I understand the confusion. 

The Camp Snoopy I was talking about isn't an addition or a section of a park, but rather its own seperate park located in the middle of the Mall of America.  Cedar Fair has a contract to manage the park, but I believe Knott's still owns the park in the middle of the mall. 

Valleyfair actually doesn't have a Camp Snoopy, or any Peanuts references for that matter.  In fact I believe that in 2002 it'll be the only park in the chain not to utilize the Peanuts liscense.

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Tuesday, December 4, 2001 10:17 PM
also Knott's is like... on the wrong side of California

not like it matters anyway

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Wednesday, December 5, 2001 1:34 AM
They definitely used Cedar Point's logo for the Cedar Fairs map (you can see where it says "Cedar Point") but that particular logo (Snoopy & the two little woodstocks in the canoe) wasn't CP's to begin with - it belonged to KCS!  When they added Camp Snoopy at CP, they just used the same logo that was used at KCS.  Take a look at http://www.campsnoopy.com/RideF.htm and you'll see what I mean (I think!).

-Nate

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Wednesday, December 5, 2001 5:05 AM
I don't have to go there! I'm a share holder, I'm pretty sure I know what's there, thanks. I'm perfectly aware it's not an addition, but as I said, what difference does it make? Camp Snoopy is the name, it's used at the parks as well, what difference does it make what logo they use?

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Wednesday, December 5, 2001 5:48 AM

Valleyfair Fan said:
The Camp Snoopy I was talking about isn't an addition or a section of a park, but rather its own seperate park located in the middle of the Mall of America.  Cedar Fair has a contract to manage the park, but I believe Knott's still owns the park in the middle of the mall. 

Apparently, you've never been to KBF...because KCS-MOA is an exact replica of their park with a few other KBF rides mixed in.

Is there really a difference between KBF's Hammerhead and KCS-MOA's Mighty Axe?  Between Jaguar and Ripsaw? The Frog Hopper and Woodstock's Airmail?  Tampico Tumbler and Treetop Tumbler?  Gran Slammer and Screaming Eagle?  Not to mention the nicely themed Zamperla rides that look, ride and are named exactly the same...

When my kids accompany me to any of the other CS parks (and we've seen CP's, DP's and KBF's) it looks and feels like the mall to them.  They don't see any real difference.  Neither do I.
Same rides...same look...same feel...same logo.  Other than being indoors, KCS-MOA is hardly unique and never was.


-CPlaya (MN bound since 1988)

*** This post was edited by CoastaPlaya on 12/5/2001. ***

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Wednesday, December 5, 2001 7:54 AM
I can't say I've ever had the privelage of going to Knott's Berry Farm, although I'd love to be able to get out to California to take it in.  However, I don't see how this pertains to my message.  Until the parks went their seperate ways Paramount's Great America and Six Flag's Great America (previously Mariott's Great America) were identical, but they were still seperate parks right?

To answer Jeff, the difference it makes is the possibility that it could confuse people.  If someone went to the Cedar Fair site and saw the Cedar Point emblem on Camp Snoopy they could get confused in thinking that Cedar Point is moving into the mall. 

I admit that this logic is stretching it a bit, and that it would seem that whoever is checking out the web site would almost have to be looking for the Cedar Point logo to notice it.  However, after working in retail for several years its amazing some of the conclusions that some people can jump to when they see things. 

For instance, several weeks ago in the mall a friend of mine who works in a toy shop in the mall told me about an irate customer that was mad that the store didn't a toy of Optimus Prime.  My friend tried to explain that Hasbro stopped making the original Optimus Prime a long time ago, but the customer insisted that since Optimus Prime was on their sign the store is advertising that it sells that particular item. (There sign has a ton of different toy icons on the sign everything from G.I. Joe, to Luke Skywalker, to Barbie)

Even as dilluisonal as that customer was my friend told me that the manager has considered changing the sign to something more basic so he wouldn't have to deal with anymore cases like the crazy Optimus Prime lady.

What's my point?  It'd be such an easy thing to change for Cedar Fair to make that it would only make sense to erase the Cedar Point off the canoe and prevent any potential people coming to Camp Snoopy expecting more than just the lil park in the mall.        

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Wednesday, December 5, 2001 8:20 AM
Oh by the way, transformers are all the rage again.  Hasbro is making Optimus Prime

 

http://www.transformers.com/product.asp?sku=80577&c=transformers

*** This post was edited by Giantwheeljay on 12/5/2001. ***

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Wednesday, December 5, 2001 8:40 AM
Only a pale shadow of what he was though.

-proud owner of the "brandless" Japanese Transformer originals.
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Wednesday, December 5, 2001 8:51 AM
Fact: The average Clevelander doesn't know there's a Camp Snoopy in a mall. Hell, I doubt they know the mall exists.

The analogy you give is akin to thinking an Echo might be like and Avalon because they're both made by Toyota, assuming that the same person would even remotely be in the same market for either one.

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Wednesday, December 5, 2001 9:02 AM


Jeff said:
Fact: The average Clevelander doesn't know there's a Camp Snoopy in a mall. Hell, I doubt they know the mall exists.
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And vicey versey.  When I talk to GP @ VF, most have no idea CF exists, much less CP or the other Camp Snoopys.

If I didn't grow up in Detroit, I doubt I'd know much about CP either...much less drive 700+ miles to visit.






ValleyFair Fan said:

If someone went to the Cedar Fair site and saw the Cedar Point emblem on Camp Snoopy they could get confused in thinking that Cedar Point is moving into the mall.



Funny you should bring that up. CF just bought Michigan's Adventure in May, which is about 4 hours away from Detroit.  Just about everyone in that area with a pulse knows about CP...and I don't think there was much confusion.
-CPlaya

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Wednesday, December 5, 2001 9:15 AM
CoastaPlaya, you make a great point.  Down here in Florida I would say that one out of every 8 or so people has heard about Cedar Point. 

Perhaps 1 in 10 have heard of Magic Mountain.  (Only because there are more people living here from the midwest and northeast than from out west.)

That is the best argument yet for eliminating the MM vs CP debate that goes on and on like that stupid bunny.  Both parks are targeting the average person in their given market area and neither is concerned whether the small percentage of enthusiasts out there think it tastes great or is less filling.

Of course the people that need to hear this won't read this thread but pass it on!

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Wednesday, December 5, 2001 9:32 AM
Jeff.  If you don't have anything positive to add, why not refrain from posting? 
Some people are just more detail oriented than others and they notice the little things.  Walt Disney was such a person.
Also, the fact that you are a stock holder is irrelevent to the topic.  Valleyfair Fan was only trying to give you/us some information about MOA.  Excuse him/her for not knowing that you know everything abot all of the CF properties.

*** This post was edited by jimster on 12/5/2001. ***

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Wednesday, December 5, 2001 10:41 AM
Don't even go there. When someone makes a statement starting with "obviously" they claim to have knowledge of the inner workings of my brain and my experience, and that's not the case.

I simply said that "Camp Snoopy is the name, it's used at the parks as well, what difference does it make what logo they use?" That's my opinion, augmented by the statement that "The average Clevelander doesn't know there's a Camp Snoopy in a mall." That challenges the notion that there would be any confusion, as the original post suggested.

How is that negative?

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Wednesday, December 5, 2001 11:25 AM
*sigh*  Time for yet another collective deep breath here at coasterbuzz......
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Wednesday, December 5, 2001 11:34 AM
I think he said that because the canoe logo still says Cedar Point on the canoe...
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Wednesday, December 5, 2001 11:55 AM
Thank you Clark Bar for pointing that out, that's exactly the only reason I even bothered to post this.  If the canoe didn't have Cedar Point written on it then there would wouldn't be a problem with Cedar Fair's home page.


And Jeff, maybe your under a lot of stress right now, I realize you owned stock in the company but your post sounded as if you didn't know what Camp Snoopy the Park was.  I was offering you an out that you obviously don't need.


I didn't pretend to "read the inner workings of your mind"  or even to pretend to know the inner workings of your brain I just merely pointed out that you didn't have Valleyfair or Knott's Camp Snoopy on your track listing so I assumed you have never been there. And according to your posts its seems like you haven't, and that's fine there's no problem with that. 


Your arguement that the average Cleavlander doesn't even know that there's a camp snoopy in the mall doesn't suprise, in fact I'd be suprised if they did.  To me if a Cleavlander went to the Cedar Fair website and didn't know about Knott's Camp Snoopy and saw Cedar Point's logo on the canoe of Camp Snoopy's logo they might get confused.


I do want to point out, however,  that your Toyota arguement is dead on.  Most people would think, "duh" of course there different, but every once in a while you will get that one irate customer who needs things as clear as possible.


Jeff I just want to ask you to reread my post to note that I never said, "obviously."  I did say "according" though, and if that upsets you I apologize.  I don't why that would upset anyone, but perhaps it left the wrong message that it was supposed to leave.
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*** This post was edited by Valleyfair Fan on 12/5/2001. ***

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Thursday, December 6, 2001 4:02 AM
Reading threads like these early in the morning starts my day off like a good cup of coffee. 
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Thursday, December 6, 2001 7:21 AM
Wahoo skipper, at first I was kind of confused at all the hostility, but then I realized that this probably isn't hostility at all.  Its just good discussion, maybe pointless discussion, but good discussion nonetheless.  I'm just happy it hasn't gone into, "Well you suck just cause" mode.

If that's what you meant in your last post then I totally I agree, if not I suppose I guess I'm just way off.

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