Pretzel Loop or Dutchmen Loop?

Sunday, September 28, 2003 9:27 AM
I have ridden SFOG's Superman and am very aware of the extreme amount of G's in the back row through the loop (I can't even remember going through the loop actually!). Now that good ole' Carowinds is getting Stealth, I was wondering how the G's in the loop compare to the pretzel loop on the Supermans. I have heard they are strong but do they begin to compare?
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Sunday, September 28, 2003 9:46 AM
I would say I find the loop (Stealth) more forcefull than the pretzel (SUF), but the pretzel was more sustained. Having just rode my first SUF yesterday (SFOG) I liked Stealth much more, and the forces in the pretzel weren't nearly as extreme as I expected. Strong, but not extreme IMO. :)

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*** This post was edited by GoliathKills 9/28/2003 1:47:47 PM ***
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Sunday, September 28, 2003 10:30 AM
The pretzel loop is by far the most extreme element I have ever experienced. It is quite amazing watching the ride and hear the train go totally silent in the pretzel as you can't even breathe let alone speak.

The Dutchman's loop is really no different then any others IMO. I find it pretty weak.

I have ridden S:UF at GAM and SFoG and X-Flight and Batwing.

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Sunday, September 28, 2003 10:51 AM
Well, I've ridden Stealth, Batwing, X-Flight, S:UF GAdv. and GAm. :p

Anyway, I like the dive into the pretzel and the sustained G's, but I find the Vekoma loop just as forceful (though not as sustained) and much more disorienting. I'd say it's a toss up, but the rest of the vekoma layout is much better (especially the flip at the top instead of in the station).

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Sunday, September 28, 2003 10:58 AM
I've ridden all of the NAmerican flyers except GAm's (and SFEG's, hehe), and as far the the *single looping element* is concerned, I'd have to rate SFoG's as the best - I ride in the back. The one at GAdv felt just less powerful IMO. Stealth I thought was better than the SF Vekomas for the loop itself, but it might have just been the *newness* of the flying position at the time...Oct. '00.

Flying coasters *do* generally have lower g-forces due to rider position...
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Sunday, September 28, 2003 4:22 PM
I actually found GAm's to be a LOT stronger than GAdv's. Rode them two weeks apart.

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Sunday, September 28, 2003 4:43 PM
I found GAMs just as intense as SFoG's

Will get GADV's Sunday

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Sunday, September 28, 2003 5:09 PM
Ive rode X-Flight at SFWoA and S:UF at SFGAm and find the pretzel loop to be more intense then the loop on the X-Flight was. I didn't really think the loop on X-Flight was anything special.

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Sunday, September 28, 2003 5:29 PM
Well both rides are different experieneces really.

The S:UF's are like gracefully flying through the air.

The Flying Dutchmen are like being strapped to the bottom of a fighter jet.

I think the loop on X-Flight was slightly less intense than the pretzel on S:UF but I think the loop is more enjoyable element.

All in all, I believe the Vekoma's are the superior ride, much more interesting layout.

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Monday, September 29, 2003 12:21 PM
I think a B&M pretzel is much more intense than a Vekoma loop.
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Monday, September 29, 2003 12:44 PM
Well personally, I think that the best ride on the SFGA S:UFs is in the *front*. The nice "Float and Yank" sequence is better than the 'intensity' of the back row rides. I only rode GAdv's in the back and if that is the *weak* one, well then I am getting wussy and I'll leave that for y'all.

Anyway, aside from the float into the element, I'd rather have the Vekoma loop. No real reason other than the pull out is great in the back and I like how you can see the other end of the train.

lata, jeremy

--who in general finds all flying coasters equally worthless

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Monday, September 29, 2003 1:35 PM
After riding Batwing and SFOG's S:UF, I'd have to say that I prefered the pretzel, and liked the "graceful" feeling more. I wish the B&M flyers had more elements though, but they were just the 1st gen...
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Wednesday, October 1, 2003 5:33 PM
I've only been on a Vekoma Flyer and the loop is intense. It's a great element for a flyer and I bet B&M could make a flyer with a stronger loop. But so far the Vekoma Flyer loop is the most intense element I've been on, besides Goliath’s helix. But maybe the reason it was so intense was because I rode it while it was raining.

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