Preliminary (semi-rumored) Details about new GADV coaster

Monday, July 4, 2005 8:08 PM
I got this from Great Adventure Source (www.gadv.com) and they seem reliable. Just wanted to see what others think of this layout:

"Inside look: Info on new wooden coaster 7/4/2005 - I have received information from a source that works within Jackson Township about the new coaster set for 2006. They have recently seen preliminary plans of the layout and it is pretty interesting. The ride will use the existing Viper station and the trains will leave the station in the same direction that Viper did. The track will then make a u-turn and head into the lift. Once it reaches the top, the track will then u-turn again and head out towards Taz Twister (Taz Twister will, of course, be removed, but La Cantina will stay). At that point it will once again u-turn and head back towards the station. It will go around the station and then actually cross over (or under) Rolling Thunder and actually have some elements in-between Rolling Thunder, including some sort of helix. It will then cross back over (or under) Rolling Thunder and go back into the station. So in summary, it will indeed use Viper's old location, but it will not go out behind Medusa and utilize the woods in that direction.

The source is reliable and they tend to believe that the lift is long enough for it to contend for the wooden height record which is currently at 218', held by Son of Beast at Paramount's King's Island. That might be hoping for too much, but this layout and interaction with Rolling Thunder is pretty much a sure thing.

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Peyton Ebbeson, Webmaster
Great Adventure Source"

Taking down Taz!!!? They should move it like they did before Adventure Rivers.

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Monday, July 4, 2005 8:56 PM
Sadly, I have little trouble believing Great Adventure might screw up a sure-fire Plug-n-Play ride by trying to exceed 220' in height.
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Monday, July 4, 2005 9:08 PM
""The source is reliable and they tend to believe that the lift is long enough for it to contend for the wooden height record which is currently at 218', held by Son of Beast at Paramount's King's Island. That might be hoping for too much, but this layout and interaction with Rolling Thunder is pretty much a sure thing.""

I don't think anyone is hoping for a height record on this wooden coaster. It has been proven over and over that size doesn't matter on a woodie,

I would expect the coaster from the preliminary info provided to be tall, but 150' is my guess.

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Monday, July 4, 2005 9:41 PM
I would agree were this a traditional wooden coaster.

Due to the pre-fabricated track the Intamin P-N-P coaster allow for much greater heights and speeds. In fact those who have ridden the two existing coasters of this type [Colossus and Balder] claim that the ride experience is more akin to a steel coaster than a wood coaster.

If SFGAdv actually wants to take the wooden height and speed record from SOB the Intamin P-N-P is the only way to effectively do so.

*** Edited 7/5/2005 1:42:25 AM UTC by Mamoosh***

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Monday, July 4, 2005 9:53 PM
Plus, learning from KK, they have clearly learned that marketing a large ride can bring HUGE numbers through the gates, they want something that can do the same thing and a record breaking wooden coaster could do that.
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Monday, July 4, 2005 9:56 PM
But the difference is the woodie will actually be running. ;) So it should bring in more people.
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Monday, July 4, 2005 11:17 PM
Of course, that's assuming it doesn't blow over during construction or get struck by lightning like one of it's giant predecesors. ;)
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Monday, July 4, 2005 11:46 PM

Mamoosh said:
If SFGAdv actually wants to take the wooden height and speed record from SOB the Intamin P-N-P is the only way to effectively do so.

Does that mean you're recommending *against* building a 220' RCCA woodie? :)

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Tuesday, July 5, 2005 12:48 AM
Your kidding right?

They purposfully took the hight record for steel and they are purposfully going to do the same with wood.

Why? Publicity!

Even here in Cincy OH, you here, NJ just got the worlds biggest coaster frome the GP if you talk coasters too them.

Being all knowing sucks sometimes but I tell them, Give it a year before you go for a NEW RIDE like that.

Chuck

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Tuesday, July 5, 2005 1:26 AM
That's an interesting angle.

When was the last time a park was able to claim both the largest steel and largest woodie at the same location?

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Tuesday, July 5, 2005 1:33 AM
And they choose the company for both projects that has the technology to do em.

Reliably? Now thats another story but Im betting the woodie (Basically a wooden version of Intamin Steel) Will be much more reliable even if it sets records.

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Tuesday, July 5, 2005 3:06 AM
Gonch-

Cedar Point in 1991 with Magnum and Mean Streak unless I'm forgetting a steelie that opened in 1990 or 1991. No, Steel Phantom wasn't the largest, but it did have the title of fastest and longest drop in 1991.

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Tuesday, July 5, 2005 3:33 AM
That's what I was thinking but I was both too lazy and unsure to mention it.

I suppose the old argument of the Moonsault Scramble being built 6 years prior to Magnum and being 2 feet taller could add the odd asterisk to that fact (the same way S:TE always got mentioned followed by a "but...")

Would it be the first time in the modern era that a park had unquestionable, full circuit coasters that were the record holders for both wood and steel?

Even still it's been 15 years since a park could claim that.

That's a hell of a marketing angle. :)

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Tuesday, July 5, 2005 3:40 AM
And what if it ended up being the longest wood, and then they got the longest coaster period, and then with the loopiest they're getting in 2008;). Or not

But it would be cool to go to a park that had tallest, fastest, longest, and most loops. Makes it easier for the record chasers!

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Tuesday, July 5, 2005 8:16 AM
I wouldn't think they are going for longest with that layout. For longest I would have thought they would have headed towards the lake maybe mixing with Medusa and the Arena.

And yes I do believe it's the height record they want say somewhere around 250' to make it an nice round number so the next person who'd want it would have to try for 275' or 300'.

I doubt they'd go for most inverts since GASM has turned into a jarring experience again. What happened to this ride in a few months. I rode it in May and it was smooth. Last Saturday it tried to kill my neck.

I mean these two major coasters and then the hotel, or rumored Hotels... this park is definitely trying to make a mark again.

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Tuesday, July 5, 2005 8:23 AM

TwinsGP said:


Once it reaches the top, the track will then u-turn again and head out towards Taz Twister (Taz Twister will, of course, be removed, but La Cantina will stay). At that point it will once again u-turn and head back towards the station. It will go around the station and then actually cross over (or under) Rolling Thunder and actually have some elements in-between Rolling Thunder, including some sort of helix. It will then cross back over (or under) Rolling Thunder and go back into the station.


Umm, am I mis-remember GAdv or what? Isnt Taz on the *opposite* side of the midway from Viper? Is this are you going to have to walk *under* this coaster to get from say Rodeo Stampee to Medusa? I though walking under woodies was generally discouraged by parks. Not to mention it would ad a new dimension to the whole 'smoking on the midways' annual debate.

Or am I just dead wrong?

lata, jeremy

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Tuesday, July 5, 2005 9:58 AM
From what Ive read, Taz will be moved to a different location in the park and the new ride will be at a dead end. Which means they are not allowing the GP to use the bridge anymore, but I suspect that they are not removing it. Incredibly dumb if you ask me. Now there will be 3 deadend in the park, with the GK, where Viper was, and now where Medusa is. I guess you could even say 4 with S:UF.
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Tuesday, July 5, 2005 11:25 AM
How would the coaster be able to go "under" RT with the existing wooden structure? Would they have to take parts of RT down and reinforce them differently so that the new woodie could go underneath of them? Or is there somewhere on the ride where it could easily go underneath?
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Tuesday, July 5, 2005 12:11 PM
Removing a bent and bridging it with a steel I beam is done relatively easily these days. Jack it up and support it with stands, Take out the bent and add the steel.

Not too hard, They did it twice with Thunderbolt but did do a major removal on it to do it.

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Tuesday, July 5, 2005 12:54 PM
PKI's Racer has had walkways added underneath for access to FoF and the 4-D theatre, resulting in the removal of wood and the addition of steel support beams.
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