Tuesday, August 1, 2000 11:36 AM
Having lived near, visited, and supported PKD all my coaster riding life, let me say one thing -- I am DISSAPOINTED with today's announcement.
PKD continues its use of gimmicky prototype coasters to create hype. People, it takes more than one feature to make a complete and great coaster. Only 1500 feet long!
Yes, the launch, vert climb, and drop will be cool. But where's the beef? There is NOTHING past the first drop. At least PKD could have bucked up and had an interesting layout after the drop.
I have a feeling Hypersonic will be much like V:TBC. V:TBC has great launches, but after the mountain it is COMPLETELE unimaginative and dull. Meanwhile, SFA is planning more full fledged layouts in the immediate future and you know BGW will continue its tradition of well thought out and excellent coasters. I'm not even going to raise the capacity issue of TA2K.
Way to go PKD. Try using some imagination one day. --K
Tuesday, August 1, 2000 12:22 PM
KMAN: Between SFA and Hershey Park, PKD has a lot of competition to deal with. As a coaster lover, I dont like ta2k going to PKD, at least not the prototype model. I agree that there should have been more added to the ride b4 installation. However, ta2k is a very famous coaster w/ the gp because of the recent tv specials. I have had several people come up and ask me about it, as well as overhearing conversations at amusement parks. It will bring PKD a TON of revenue, with people flocking to see/ride it. That is until the four hour lines piss ppl off. And you all thought boomerangs had bad capacity....
Tuesday, August 1, 2000 12:58 PM
They should have at least built douple towers like S:TE. Sure that would be expensive, but if your going to do it, do it right.
Tuesday, August 1, 2000 1:00 PM
The thing I don't get is why it is SMALLER than the prototype.
Tuesday, August 1, 2000 1:21 PM
I really don't know, but no one has mentioned the positives of this ride, NO OTSR! That's enough to make me want to ride.
Tuesday, August 1, 2000 3:01 PM
Do we know the expected hourly capicity for sure? The announcement stated 8 per car, but how many cars? Haw soon between launches. The cars could line up like in a wild maus, so once one car is done with the 30 second course, the next is launched. If one car per minute is launched, that is the same as a 24 passenger train being dispached every 3 minutes, which aint too bad.
Andrew, I thought the prototype was 140-150 feet tall. I could be wrong, however.
Gotta ride 'em all!
Tuesday, August 1, 2000 3:09 PM
The prototype was 172ft on flat land I believe. This one is a custom version because the original is still sitting on that vacant lot in Utah.
Tuesday, August 1, 2000 3:09 PM
I'd be sweating BGW, myself, as far as competition goes. They've focused on quality instead of quantity (we'll just forget that little Drachen Fire incident for now). I went to both parks on a weekend, and PKD disappointed me.
With the collection of ride they have, it's hard to believe they only score 2.2 million visitors per year. This would be a great addition to a lot of parks, but not this one.
And this begs the question... what does Paramount have against big steel coasters? None of the Paramount parks have a "big" steel ride outside of the inverted Top Guns.
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Tuesday, August 1, 2000 3:16 PM
According to thrillride, Hypersonic will be custom built, probably why it has the shorter height than the prototype. The turn after the drop will be raised 40ft, then another turn follows into a floater hill, then into the station. Still short, but better than the prototype.
Tuesday, August 1, 2000 4:30 PM
Like Jeff always say's. We need to ride it before we can decide how good it is.
Parks hit for 2000!
PKD,BGW,Knoebels,DP,HP,PKI,HW,SFKK,SFA,SFNE,LC,GE,QP, Camden, SFO,CP,WL,IW,KW
Tuesday, August 1, 2000 4:58 PM
Well Jeff, I can only speak for PGA, which until recently had a VERY strict height limit because they are so close to an airport. They could not build any full circuit coaster over 115ft. Recently, PGA has pushed harder for a lift of that in order to fully compete with SFMW. I believe it's 180ft now. As far as the others, Volcano is 155ft and Vortex at PKI is even taller, so tall steel coasters is not a problem for those parks. If you mean big hypercoasters, well Paramount is not a fan of them. As a chain, they do very extensive research and have found that it's looping coasters that bring people into the park. Six flags(until recently) also subscribed to this belief. I do think the popularity of the new breed of hyper(MF, Goliath and Superman) has changed that thinking somewhat, thus, Hypersonic. I know this how? Well I used to work for them. PGA had all but signed a deal to build a Morgan hyper back in 1987, but Paramount cancelled it, thinking it too big a risk because it had no inversions.
Tuesday, August 1, 2000 8:01 PM
I just can't believe the height. Only 165 ft???? I thought S & S wanted to build one 400 ft that goes 100 mph?? PKD needed a hyper coaster in a big way IMO. The launch should be impressive but it is basically a gimmick ride with a launch up a "not so high" hill and then back into the station. I don't think people will be flocking back after 2001 to ride this thing. I would like to ride it and I probebly will next year as my parents live in VA. However, after I ride it I would much rather spend the rest of my time at BGW.
Tuesday, August 1, 2000 8:04 PM
It will be a novelty ride alright. I can't imagine waiting 3+ hours for this thing, then running back to get in line again. I'd rather head over to BGW for multiple rides on Apollo.
Tuesday, August 1, 2000 8:17 PM
Exactly, CP Twister. With the way Stan Checketts of S&S was talking in various interviews, the first one would be huge and have an interesting circuit. I guess not!
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Tuesday, August 1, 2000 9:38 PM
I think he meant one day, when a park is willing to invest in a S:TE sized one. Japan will probably do it soon. I'd like to see a large one at CP, Dorney Park or KBF.
Tuesday, August 1, 2000 10:31 PM
Simcoaster, you stated that the Vortex at PKI is taller than Volcano. I hate to correct you, but the Vortex is only 148ft. with a drop of about 138ft. In other words Volcano is higher than the Vortex, unless you were thinking of Anaconda, which will make the Vortex higher.
Can you take me higher? (CREED)
Wednesday, August 2, 2000 6:08 PM
Yep, your right. My point still stands though, PKI has no problem building large steel or wood. Their inversion happy though, so steel hypers are out.