Phoenix and Wolverine Wildcat similarities.

I realized this with my recent trip to Knoebel's after a trip to MIA.

Is it just me or are the layouts of these two coasters quite close or the order of elements very close.

The tunnel going around to the lift. The double up double down. The turn into the station.

I know they are not even close to the same but did Summer's and Dinn pattern the Wildcat after Phoenix? The similarites are rather numerous even with their differences.

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It was patterned after the Phoenix, but everyone says it doesn't give the same ride. I have yet to ride phoenix so I can't make that assumption, but I have rode Wolverine Wildcat a decent amout of times I'd probly agree with the majority.

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The ride is completely different. Prety much is somone plopped you into Wildcat's seat you could immediately tell you were riding a Summers and Dinn coaster if you know what I mean.

The similarities are very numerous though. Namely the Tunnel and the double up double down which I do not know of on any other coasters besides these two.

Wildcat does not have the bunnies on the home stretch like Phoenix does and it does not cross over itself. It is more of a twister layout compared to Phoenix's double out and back with a twist style.

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Having ridden both Phoenix and Wolverine I can say with all certainty that while they do have a similar layout, they offer vastly differnet ride experiences. One is superb, the other simply awful.

Care to guess which is which?

Matthew

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Now that's a tough one!

Wildcat, while not "simply awful" IMO, was a whole lot closer to that than it was to the coastering Nirvana to be found in Elysburg....Wildcat I think had more laterals, less airtime (what doesn't?), and a whole lot more bumpiness....

Phoenix, OTOH, is still the closest thing I've found to perfect airtime.....even ST didn't offer up that kind of air, not even close....

Phoenix does not have those little green lights in the tunnel! (thank God) :D Don't even get me started comparing these two....is it Oct 5th yet?
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Brad I Am not comparing them at all just asking if S&D were inspired by Phoenix when building WW. The experience does not even come close to being the same.

Frankly WW lives up to it's Summers and Dinn legacy. I am sure you all can figure out what that means.

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All I need is 4.5 million bucks and a half a mile long sliver of land and maybe someone could build me my very own Shivering Timbers. ;)

Layouts similar. Ride experience Heaven and Hell. Phoenix is possibly my favorite woodie and is the ultimate air time machine. Wolverine Wildcat is the most painful woodie that I have ever ridden and doesn't have that much air.

Sorry, I was just adding to the fury! I DO however remember a conversation with RideMan on the inspiration for WW. He mentioned a coaster in Texas with similar elements, but then again Phoenix came from there, so maybe that was it. Oh now I'm just going in circles.....Dave's on vacation so I can't ask him!
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Arrow Guy - The Phoenix was relocated from Playland in San Antonio, where it was known as The Rocket.

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"Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book. Inside of a dog its too dark to read." - Groucho Marx

To add to Mamoosh's statement, it was renamed the Phoenix because it was "born from the ashes." PS- I wonder how those original trains would feel on the Phoenix. Anyone know what kind they were?

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