Park's recent stupid moves.

Well, when I say "common knowledge" I mean it's been in the newspaper and on the news. I'd like to think that reporters have something to base their stories on. Has "magnum is sinking" ever made a headline? I doubt it. Tell me where I'm wrong.
You're wrong in that I'd like to see some of these news paper articles. What has Cedar Fair been doing, telling reporters straight up that WoF is in financial trouble? That doesn't really make sense to me, I've never heard a park say that. Why has nobody else on the site heard of these news reports and paper articles? Like I said, show me some of them, and I'll take it as proof, but until then, I'm going to have a hard time believing that any park owned by Cedar Fair with a solid ride collection with a solid population base and solid operations is going to be in financial trouble.

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If the shoe fits, find another one.

I am not sure why people think WT is a bad move for CP. The people who claim that it isn't a great ride must, in turn, assume that an increase in attendance as a result of the ride is not expected.

With that, then it is fair to conclude that the crowds will now be spread out better in the park meaning some of the other coasters will have lesser waits if people are lined up for WT.

This leads to my contention that CP should spend some money one year on some new, exciting flat rides. Imagine the rides they could install as opposed to building a $5 million or up coaster.

Ok I've said it before in other threads but it's appropriate to this one too Last year carowinds removed the wave swinger and sent it to para. great america (like they couldnt afford a new one and had to settle for one that got beat up by a hurricane in 1989) anyway carowinds didnt install a new flat ride in its place they put in another "pay per experience" attraction called Flight School (the park already had a half dozen of these) heres the stupid move part, I never saw anyone try this thing in all the times I went last year I know it probably was tried out but you will always see people on their sky coaster

This year they are getting another pay attraction in the new Carolina Boardwalk area instead of a new flat ride like the rest of the paramount chain

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During my trip to SFWoA, S:UE was a walk-on, while everything else had lines. Capacity issue???

I would think that the park's philosophy is that they are adding a MAJOR attraction into a space more suited for a minor attraction. Allowing them to add a major attraction when they "possibly" could not due to space. Or allowing them to keep their existing space open for other such major attractions.

A park like Kennywood, who has openly admitted that they have NO room for expansion, could add these type of rides in without having to remove something else. I see that as a benefit. SFWoA "wild rides" side (pre-sea-world acquisition), really managed to utilize ALL the space they had for expansion adding 4 high quality rides, though that space has grown with the "wild life" side.

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Not counting replacing rides, most new rides are built to attract new customers or get the current customers into the park more often. The investments are made based on the parks' recent profit margins and potential increase in income (which would probably be much smaller than we would suspect).

As noted earlier, even adding a low capacity ride will increase overall capacity in the park, spreading lines out, usually to a low attendance area of the park. That's always an improvement.

One other thing to note is that a lot of major investments and plans for rides are made two-three years (maybe more) ahead of time. I would think they debated if the investments would be worth it to accountants. It's a business, so you can't be too careful with large (or even small) investments.

Ok Ravenguy, I guess I am making up these articles. It's on the news for god's sakes! Their not making it up. I am sick of arguing with you. I am clearly right. Let's just drop it.

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Actually, I'm not sure about the "clearly" part...or the "right" part for that matter.

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Shaggy said:

That being said, the most un-intelligent move many parks have made, SF in particular, is to forget the guest's feelings. They compromised the entire experience for the sake of attendance figures. The consumer really got kicked in the nads over the past few years by SF. They basically expanded their parks, marketed them so everyone and their brother would attend, and then treated guests like dirt once they had walked through the gate.



Except that isnt true at all parks. SFDL one flat ride in 2 years. A shoot the chutes and slingshot on the 3rd year. Not much of an expansion to draw "everyone and their brother" into the park. But once inside the park there was a pleasent atmosphere, helpful attendants, and a generally courteous staff. I like the atmosphere of my park, although right about now i'd sacrafice some quality for a little quantity, we do have the some of the largest land mass in the Six Flags chain.

All right, the clearly part is that, what ravenguy98 obviously doesn't realize is that the media can get attendance numbers from the park themselves. You've got to realize that if it's been in the news, a source has obviously got to be involved. This source could be from the park itself. Hopefully that helps you realize what actually goes on. Thanks.
rcthemepark36, do these news channels have websites? (as most do) and if it does, please provide a link. Then you can prove that Worlds of Fun is in financial trouble.

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I really don't know any of you, but saying that WofF is in financial toilet is way out of line. Its definately nobodies business except the primary partners of Cedar Fair, and no one reading this qualifies for that. The Hunt family made money there, and so does Cedar Fair. I believe the local news about as much as I believe the world is flat. Practically 8 of the 10 stories that are reported are 'shotgun' reports of misinformation, and have to be retracted.

To say Cedar Fair doesn't pay its bills is outlandish. Period. until about 18 months ago, several Hunt family members actually sat on CF Board of Directors. Of course you knew that. And for revenue, only a handful of VP's have access to exact attendance figures, exact per-caps, and total revenue. Of course you knew that. Its a safeguard that stops 'bar talk', and other giberish that people pass the wrong info around town until someone thinks they have a bit of gossip to make a story.

Look how fast CF nixed the Visionland deal. You honestly think that CF would stick it out this long in the red with a single park. They are the only player in town, and that means money. Of course, you knew that..

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Hey Loaded G made a great point about SFWoA. The lines for the bathrooms and food stands were longer then the lines for some of the rides. Parking was horrible, and a nightmare to the community in that area. To add four major attractions to a park without any adding facilities is just plain irresponsible. Sure, it can be fun in the Coaster Park Simulator game to see how many complaints you can get in an hour, but these are real people spending $40 to spend most of their time in lines for overwhelmed bathroom facilities. This was a SF big business strategy to compete with Ceder Point, and some folks got screwed in the process. Such business practices give people the wrong impression of what amusement parks are all about, which is good clean fun.
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Keep your eye on the ball Six Flags: your customers. The $$$$$$ will follow.

Patrick K said:
I thought it was stupid when SFGam closed the demon bridge. I hated that.


Dont worry, it will be open again this year =)

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