Paramount Parks......why no Hyper's or Giga's?

Wednesday, February 20, 2002 3:32 PM
this i really dont understand.  i would have to say that probably more than half of all enthusiasts do like a hyper or giga in somewhere.  but with the exception of SoB, paramount hasnt built any hyper's/giga's.  it shouldnt be a cost problem because intamin isnt that expensive on hypers.  and why a space problem because they do have some space consuming woodies(beast and SoB).

does anyone know why this is?  i just cant think of a good reason why. 

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Wednesday, February 20, 2002 3:40 PM
Because they have felt like other coasters were a better investment. 
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Wednesday, February 20, 2002 3:40 PM
I think they are more into innovative coasters rather than superlatives. I think they can get better deals but with the same hype.
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Wednesday, February 20, 2002 3:43 PM
It seems like they love prototypes
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Wednesday, February 20, 2002 3:47 PM
I have no complaints.  PKI is the BEST PARK EVER ;)
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Wednesday, February 20, 2002 5:05 PM
You don't need to build a 300' ride to make your park good.
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Wednesday, February 20, 2002 5:05 PM
wild mouses are hardly innovative
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Wednesday, February 20, 2002 6:02 PM
Yes, but Stealth, Flight Of Fear, Hypersonic XLC, The Bat, Son Of Beast, and Nick Super Saturator are!

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Wednesday, February 20, 2002 6:09 PM
If the rumors are true then we can expect another hyper woodie at a paramount park in 2003,this time at PKD.
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Wednesday, February 20, 2002 6:29 PM
I wouldn't bet on another hyper-woodie so soon, and it seems to me that the only Paramount park in ANY real need for wood in PGA...but you never know.  Of course, once you hear it from the Lemon Chill Guy (TM), it's "gospel".

janfrederick hit it square on the head, innovation has always been the main focus at PKI, and has followed in the chain...The only true "bust" really, was The Bat...bummer.  And, I am guessing on the "innovative mouse" to show up at a Paramount park real soon...

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Wednesday, February 20, 2002 6:54 PM
actually after magnum was built it was quite awhile before the next hyper was built and only in the last few years have they become kinda common stock at parks(I dont count steel phantom because anyone can drop a ride off a hill if they have the landscape)   I'm always hopeful we will see one soon especially at carowinds my home park    I would love to see one drop under and come out the other side of the bridge up at the front gate the way TOP GUN  dives under the bridge at the back gate     There is a service road(old train track) there where one might fit if designed right   
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Wednesday, February 20, 2002 6:55 PM
look at KI's prototypes
RACER - First backwards,  The Beast - First computerized control system, The Bat - first suspended, Kingcobra - first staning looper, SOB - first wood loop, FoF - LIM Motors

*** This post was edited by KIBeast on 2/21/2002. ***

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Wednesday, February 20, 2002 9:01 PM


PT300 said:
Yes, but Stealth, Flight Of Fear, Hypersonic XLC, The Bat, Son Of Beast, and Nick Super Saturator are!

Add Volcano : The Blast Coaster to that list. Who would have ever thought to strap LIM motors onto an inverted coaster? CLEVER.

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Wednesday, February 20, 2002 9:25 PM

KIBeast said:
look at KI's prototypes
RACER - First backwards,  The Beast - First computerized control system, The Bat - first suspended, Kingcobra - first staning looper, SOB - first wood loop, FoF - LIM Motors
*** This post was edited by KIBeast on 2/21/2002. ***

Don't forget the Flight of Fears.  Both coasters at PKI and PKD were prototypes as being the first coasters to use LIMs.  Runaway Reptar was the first kiddie inverted coaster.

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Thursday, February 21, 2002 4:01 AM
KIBeast,

While I woudl love it if PKI could lay claim to all those "firsts" many aren't fact.

-Racer cannot really be called a prototype just because they turned the coaster train around.  The coaster was operational, and successful for years prior to one of the trains being turned backwards.

-Beast was not the first to use a computer control system.  When it opened, it used the old sensor/light up panel just like many other coasters at that time.  Revolution in CA had this a full two years prior.  Also, when the more advanced computer technology came to be, as it exists today, Beast was not the first coaster to have the technology added.

-The Bat was not the first suspended.  One had been designed and partially built for a World's Fair exhibition in the very early part of the century.  And one cannot even give it the title "first successful suspended" either because... well you know why ;-)

-King Cobra was not the first standup looper as I understand it.  It was the first US standup looper from what I have been told.  Also, the first standup in North America was actually the mine ride at SFSTL, although it did not have an inversion.

-Son of Beast was not the first wooden loop.  Other coasters existed near the early part of the century with wooden loops.  Not that they wouldn't break your neck...

-FOF... yes, that is a given.  And PKI's was the first to open/operate....just days prior to PKD's.  Thus it was the first.

Shaggy

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Thursday, February 21, 2002 4:12 AM
Two things:

for Coasterdude04:  "i would have to say that probably more than half of all enthusiasts do like a hyper or giga in somewhere."  Maybe so... but, while some like to call themselves "Enthusiasts", to the parks we are all "GP", and most of the "GP" could care less about a hyper or giga.

 

For KIBeast:  as to running Racer backward...  As stated, that coaster was running for years the "regular" way before the train was turned around.  Cynical as I am, I always wonder if the trigger to turn a train around is at the first sign of dwindling ridership?   Give Racer credit for sparking the "2nd Golden Age", but not for being an innovation of running a backward train.

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Thursday, February 21, 2002 5:46 AM
I thought that The RACER was turned into RECAR (backwards) after The Bat failure, in order to attract people to the park, due to the bad design of bat.
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Thursday, February 21, 2002 6:09 AM
KI Beast,

You are exactly right.  In 1982 KI turned the south side of Racer's trains backwards in an effort to draw folks that were turned off by the Bat's inconsistant operation.

Now, when the trains were turned around, the park had yet to deem the Bat a failure.  They were still in the midst of working with Arrow on the ride to get it full operational at that point.  It was not until the following season that they finally gave up on the Bat and let it await it's demolition.

By 1984, the Bat was being removed and KC had been installed.

Shaggy

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Thursday, February 21, 2002 1:38 PM
If memory serves me correctly, this topic was already done last year.
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Thursday, February 21, 2002 1:52 PM
I think WoF had the first stand-up looper.  Extremeroller was a standard corkscrew model retrofitted with stand-up trains for a couple of years.
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