Overbanked Wooden Turns

Banked turns are over-rated. Ride Timberwolf and see how a real woodie rides. ;)

-DHo

Someone should make a wood coaster with a loop, combining the best parts of wood coasters and steel coasters. And they could make it 200' so it would be a wood hyper too. I bet everyone would love that coaster.

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ApolloAndy said:
Someone should make a wood coaster with a loop, combining the best parts of wood coasters and steel coasters. And they could make it 200' so it would be a wood hyper too. I bet everyone would love that coaster.

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Please, someone help me find the sarcasm in that post. ;)

M:TR will have wooden overbanked turns. :)

I personally don't ride woodies for elements, they're just for fun.

I don't ride for fun, I ride for elements.....?

CPFreakJon - dude...there is a knack for knowing when to use M:TR. It's not funny in any situation. Heck, it's not funny in most situations.

mOOSH

Except adult situations.

Remember that speed and energy are linked. Double the speed of the train and you quadruple the energy. For engineering purposes it's easier the think in terms of the energy in a lot of cases.

The overbanked turns on MF convert kinetic energy into potential energy by increasing the height of the track in a very compact manner. They also allow some of the forces from the turning to be subtracted from gravitational forces rather than added to them, reducing the G's on the riders for the same radius.

now THAT's funny.

wait...

With the announcement of Hades' overbanked 90+ degrees turn, it makes you wonder if the Gravity Group has been reading coasterbuzz. ;-)

I think I know how they're supporting their overbanked turn, and how they'll keep it fairly low maintenance. I would bet that the turn actually uses the wall of the tunnel to absorb the forces, with the rebar, and the bents imbedded into the walls.

Any other thoughts on this?

This would make sense, and would be fair easier to maintain.

At 91*, it strikes me as something was done just so it could be considered an overbank (i.e. over 90).

But that's just me ;)

A coaster being built just to have a "'-est coaster in the world" claim?... ridiculous. ;-)

That's what I was thinking too Nasai.

I wish the park all the best with Hades but I'm going to go on record [again] that when you combine the steel support structure, the high drop, high speed, PTC trains, and overbank turn [taken at 60+ MPH] and that all adds up to a maintenance nightmare.

Can anyone name me one wooden coaster taller than Shivering Timbers, not an Intamin Plug-n-Play, and that has not been problematic?

Hercules @ Dorney..

..since they've torn it down, it hasn't caused any problems at all! :)

Moosh, the turn can be overbanked without being that sharp. I would think that the radius would as much to do with wear and tear as the banking.

HERE is a pic of me standing next to some of Thunderheads crazy banking. This area isn't even the most heavily banked area. This pic is the helix near the first drop after the fly thru but on the opposite side of the first drop. I forget what the actual banking was on Thunderhead but Moosh is pretty close to the 79 degrees if not right on.

As for the overbanking the only time it will happen is when a park says, "Hey we want a wood coaster that has overbanked turns." and is willing to pay for it. Is the technology to build it there? I guessing it is. We put men on the moon why can't we be able to build a wooden roller coaster with overbanked turns.

The main things it will depend on is if a coaster company wants to try and tackle an overbank on a wooden ride and can guarantee it to work an be reliable, the price to do it, it will also have to have trains that can manuver it and will be comfortable at the same time, and like I said before a park would have to want it.

I personally could careless if we had wood coasters with overbanked turns. If GCII keeps building sick rides like Thundehead and the Ozark Wildcat do we really need overbanks?

Look what Ron Tumor said about coasters years ago. He figured they were about as tall as they would get when they were around the 100 ft mark. That was 20 years ago, look where we are now.

I for one have more faith in the Gravity Group guys than 'Moosh does. These four guys are behind 90% of the best rides built in the last decade.

Hey Jeff...I hope I'm wrong!

Thats right Jeff, It's not the designers fault that CCI took cost cutting measures such as second or third class wood. The designs are solid and fun IMHO. I don't think I've ridden a BAD CCI.

Whats funny is that now it works opposite. The former owner (Randy) and the former CCI supervisor now are working for the desingers (Or the park) but they are the ones actually building it.

Chuck