One train op on PR usual?

Where's the Captain Obvious signal when you need it?

Paging Captiain Obvious, clean up on aisle 5. *** Edited 6/23/2004 4:13:07 AM UTC by ApolloAndy***

Dude, get over it.

Read kpjb's post again. It answers every 'problem' you bring up. It's not confrontation, he's passing along the info everyone was wondering about.

I don't know crap about how and why KW does what they do and I never claimed to.

There's one person who's posted in this thread who knows WAY more than the rest of us combined.

Should I believe the guy who actually knows how these rides are run or the guy who's mad because he has to wait a little longer than he thinks he should?

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The point is, I don't think Kennywood is good with ride capacity. That's it.

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Fine. But when it was explained to you why this is and why it sometimes *seems* as if KW is making silly decisions, you refused to believe it - almost to the point of claiming you know better than KW.

Being as we all now understand why KW runs PR and T-bolt the way it does and we all understand that people can be (and at times are) annoyed by the lower capacity that is the result of having to run these coasters in such a way, I think we can avoid a lengthy, back and forth, "he said, she said" style arguement and subsequent closing of this thread. :)

Fine with me. I just don't see the reasoning with taking a train off with twenty minutes left when the trains run through without anyone on them. But that's cool. I think it's dumb and childish to get into a long debate over this. Peace.

Thank god the Exterminator is inside a building. I can hear it now...why are they using that car!? lol!

If it makes you feel better the Jack Rabbit 99% of the time starts out with two trains;)

Speaking of Jack Rabbit, do they ever run 3 trains? Can they run 3 trains? I seems like in my visits way back before Steel Phantom, Jack Rabbit used to run 3 but my memory is foggy.

I believe kpjb works at KW and knows what he is talking about. I also work at Kennywood but because I work in food right now I woudn't know what to say, but this...... It shouldn't matter how long you wait for a ride, as long as your safe.

O, and buy the way, evertime I've gone to work they have always had 2 trains running on the Phantom. So I stand behind Kennywood by saying that they do a good job. And there's gonna be a line no matter how many trains you have. It's a great ride and that's why people ride it over and over again. My #1 top coaster.

I heard rumours of 3 train ops on both the Rabbit and T-Bolt many, many years ago. Frankly, it's hard to believe, especially with how short the circuit is on the Rabbit.

It's impossible now, with the automated systems. I'm sure I could do it if there were no people involved to slow me down by loading and unloading, though! ;)

razore86 said:
I believe kpjb works at KW and knows what he is talking about.

What does that mean? I know at least a dozen people who work at KW. I work at the Home Depot, I don't know everything about the Home Depot.

As for the Jack Rabbit 3 train op, I can vouch that for the last fifteen years they never did. There's not enough brake runs to hold three trains anyway.

No, but there used to be three brake runs in the station, plus the lift.

Technically, you could still do it if you ran without the PLC. One loading, one unloading, and one on the circuit. Wouldn't be safe, but it could be done.

Oh, I agree it could be done, but I really don't see if it really is possible. I mean, that's like a thirty second load, if that. Trains would end up stopping on the chain lift every load.

By the way, when were there three brakes in the station? Was this years ago? I'm sure it wasn't recently, I don't remember it. For the size of the station, I don't know if there would be enough room for three trains.

Yeah... that's pretty much exactly what I said in the post before yours.

There was a brake where the magnets are now, and in the same place as the load and unload now. It was that way until we put the magnetic brake system in a few years back.

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kpjb said:
I heard rumours of 3 train ops on both the Rabbit and T-Bolt many, many years ago. Frankly, it's hard to believe, especially with how short the circuit is on the Rabbit.

It's impossible now, with the automated systems. I'm sure I could do it if there were no people involved to slow me down by loading and unloading, though!

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I heard that Fred Weber was the one who used to run three trains on the T-bolt (without anybody riding.)

I remember seeing Jack Rabbit and Tbolt with 3 trains - I also remember when Racer had two full sets (either that or I was young and impressionable and couldn't add ;) )

Heh, it would be cool if Racer would run 4 trains, but they dont stop so well. I have seen the one side run all the way through the station and have to cycle again in order to unload. :)

Yeah, if we wanted to run 4 trains on Racer, it would take an entire system overhaul that included computer controls and fin brakes.

The line's never really long enough to justify that, though.

When we were at Kennywood last friday, all coasters were running two trains. Phantom's Revenge had a really steady moving line. They kept it moving. There was never any stacking.

There's never stacking on PR (unless something terribly stupid happens) because the lift is tremendously slow and there's no air gates, fast pass or other nonsense to hold up the loading. There's actually a mirror in the station so the console op can see when the previous train passes a certain point (coming back up through the t-bolt) to dispatch the next train, because it's always ready before then.

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kpjb said:
PR has magnetic brakes. An empty train, even a half empty train, takes f-o-r-e-v-e-r to cross the transfer track and enter the station. Add this to a slow guest, or someone having trouble with their seatbelt, and the train going up the lift reaches the crest and stops 165 feet in the air.

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Why does this happen? If the previous train clears the transfer brake, can't the train on the lift move into the "course" block, regardless of how long the loading train takes to load?

How does a slow guest affect this?