No Call List


Jeff said:
Martin v. Struthers is an interesting read, and contrary to your statement, it prohibits a ban on door-to-door solicitation imposed by government, it ruled the Struthers ordinance unconstitutional.

Yeah, you're right. They did seem to indicate that the only way cities could go after solicitors is if the homeowner him- or herself made their wishes clear (via 'no solicitors' signs, etc). But of course, I think even then it was content-neutral, wasn't it? I should probably go back and read it.


I don't know if anything similar has come up in the courts since, but I would interpret this as saying, at the time, that a "do not call list" is a perfectly valid way to restrict this communication. The medium has changed, but the ideas aren't that different.

The only case I can think of that somewhat pertains is City of Cincinnati v. Discovery Network (early 90s maybe?). I know very little about the case, but I think the Court struck down a city ordinance that banned newsracks carrying purely advertising publications but not other newsracks (carrying 'typical' news publications). I think the Court said something along the lines of it being unconstitutional because both types of newsracks posed the exact same harm, so the content-based restriction would be impermissable. This might apply here, unless there can be an argument made that commercial phone calls are inherently more intrusive than non-commercial calls.

One thing I can NOT undertand and it really anger me is WHY does anyone has to hide their identity on a caller ID when they call you??? What purpose does it serve besides having an unwanted or harassing call? Beside what if your closest friend or relative has an unlisted number? I think ALL unlisted numbers need to be identified on caller ID (and nowhere else) so that people don't miss the important calls. I should have the right to know who I am calling and like someone posted earlier there may be times that you actually want to answer an unidentified call. When you answer the phone you'll find out who's calling anyway but if it happens to be you worst enemy calling to harrass or threaten you than you need to know who it is before you answer!
l. Kentucky and several other states already have No Call lists. And they have not been ruled unconstitutional.

2. Getting an unlisted number does nothelp you as much as you think it does. I once trained as a financial services broker (insurance, annuities, stocks, etc.). One of the first tools we learned about was a phone sales directory. It cross indexes phone numbers. So you can select a neighborhood and go right down the street, house by house, in order, calling every phone number. Or you can pick a zip code, or income bracket, or owners of SUVs, or subscribers to Business Week, or football season ticket holders, etc., etc. They might not be listed in the public directory, but every phone number is in those sales directories.

3. if you're a mean vengeful person and would like to return the favor of unwanted, annoying phone calls, here's the number of the American Telemarketing Association : 317-816-9336. Oh, by the way, it's unlisted. And they don't want you calling them because "it interferes with their day, is inconvenient, and takes up valuable time to answer and respond."
*** This post was edited by Trekker Park 10/5/2003 12:37:26 PM ***

Jeff said:
"They're are?" Which well-respected people are those? How many judges do you know? I've known six and served on a jury in a criminal case. What's your experience?

1. Bill O'Reilly

2. Sean Hannity

3. Pat Buchanan

4. Pat Robertson

Please, Jeff, if you don't think there are at least some judges out there trying to advance political agendas, then you've been living in a foxhole. And by judges, I don't mean the worthless magistrates down the road or the little judge in town. I'm talking about certain major federal courts. Being on a jury doesn't make anyone an expert on the constitution, not saying that I am.

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Ahahahahhahaha. Yeah... those last two in particular are really well-respected.

Form your own opinion, you'll be much better off.

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You can form all the opinions you want, but sometimes they are dead wrong. Are you saying that there is not one judge in this country putting forth a political agenda?
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There are no absolutes in life (aside from death), so what do you think? Like I said, the judicial system as a whole does work, and that's why there are appeals.

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While i like the idea of the do not call list (i am on it )and extending to e mail .I am afraid the government is going to decide to impose a fee on our phone bill or isp to pay for the policing of it. Because the same people who would be out in the streets if they raise taxes. Will not complain about a fee and the government will forbid the phone co. or isp from telling you about the fee

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