New Stand Up; Good Idea?

Friday, March 28, 2003 7:48 PM
I was watching the travel channel show on the Ultimate Thrill and they talked about the Georgia Scorcher and it made me think. BM made the Scrocher in 1999 and that was the last one built and it seems they have fallen out of style. However, I think it would be a good idea for a smaller park with not so major of attraction to built a new stand-up and claim some records. Let's be real here people, John Q. Public will not care if the stand up is out of style, all they will care about is that there is a new record breaking stand-up coaster in their park. I think it would be a good idea for maybe a Dorney Park or a Hersheypark or even a even smaller park like a Kennywood. Also as an added plus, it doesn't seem very likely another park will build a new stand-up to take the record. All it would have to be is 170 feet tall and that isnt that high. I doubt it would cost more than 10 million. Just an idea.
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Friday, March 28, 2003 7:56 PM
It would cost at least 15 Mill if over 170 and relatively short. I've only ridden Riddler's Revenge, and it has some plusses, but it is weighed down by the negatives. If you have a strong, high G pulling Stand up than it becomes uncomfortable, if it isn't a high G standup it is wimpy. Plus the tenderness of the Standup lateral g's disables you from doing some of the best inversions ie Zero G and Cobrarolls. They could be done (I know about Shockwave's Zero G) but I have to think that the hype that the floorless and the hypers have now have phased out the standups. If there was a new Standup I would personally have a nice tall bunny hill after the vertical loop giving a whole lot of airtime, cause airtime on Standups are so much fun
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Friday, March 28, 2003 7:59 PM
Hershey or Kennywood? Are you out of your mind?
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Friday, March 28, 2003 8:04 PM
I think the stand-up coaster has reached its peak with The Riddler's Revenge. You probably won't see anything close to the size of that if any are to be built in the future. The Riddler's Revenge pulls 4.2 Gs at the base of the initial descent, and note that riders are in a standing position...

As for it not being over $10 million...you are not even close buddy. Mantis came with a price tag of $12 million and that was in 1996. The Riddler's Revenge - $14 million. That was in 1998. If you take into account the inflation that has occured since '98, and your proposal of building something larger than the current record holder, than you are looking at something close to $17-$20 million.

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Friday, March 28, 2003 8:05 PM
Why would I be out of my mind with Hershey or Kennywood. Hersheypark is currently rumored to build a hyper, which will most obviously cost as much as a stand-up, if not more. Great Bear cost 13 million itself. As for Kennywood they need inversions as everyone always says and I believe they have a little coaster called Phantom's Revenge that cost a pretty penny.
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Friday, March 28, 2003 8:07 PM
Kennywood will not be able to fit a 170' stand up coaster (take into account really tall that is, that's taller than Phantom's Revenge's first hill) until human beings become A-sexual. So basically, it ain't happening. That park has space constraints. Why do you think the Steel Phantom --> Phantom's Revenge transformation took place? (well, that's half the reason).
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Friday, March 28, 2003 8:40 PM
Kennywood could built it in between the jack rabbit and racer or somewhere by the log jammer and pinic area. I think they have some room for a coaster at least 3,000 ft. long or something like the Georgia scorcher with three inversions.
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Friday, March 28, 2003 8:59 PM
Any ride that requires you to take extra precaution from guarding the "family jewels" from certain destruction is bound to fail, this is what happened to the stand-up and why we will never see it again ;)

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Saturday, March 29, 2003 12:44 AM
Logistics aside, I would think that a launched stand-up could be quite a ride. Xcelerator, as a stand-up, seems to me like it could be a heck of a lot of fun. The launch wouldn't hurt too badly, and a top hat at slightly higher speed would be a ridiculous amount of fun, IMHO. Otherwise, it does seem to me that stand-up coasters really don't offer any more than a good sit-down B&M. I'm wondering how much the experience on Scream! @ SFMM will differ form Riddler's Revenge...
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Saturday, March 29, 2003 11:38 AM
For my memories of Kennywood (I've been there 3 times, and as recent as last summer), I don't believe there's any room between Racer and Jack Rabbit for a coaster of those dimensions. As for Hershey, I don't see them ever putting in a stand up. It doesn't fit their clientele. I think the hyper at Hershey is wishful thinking also. First off a) Where do you put it? The park is pretty maxed out on space. b) A recent interview I read with the PR director said it was unlikely that any coasters over 100ft. would be built (and yes, I know, Sidewinder is 125ft. tall). She said it wouldn't be appropriate for their customers. Why do you think Great Bear got watered down?
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Saturday, March 29, 2003 12:19 PM
Uh huh... riiiight.

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003 3:59 PM
what type of ride is ragin bull then

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Tuesday, April 1, 2003 4:29 PM
hyper twister
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Tuesday, April 1, 2003 4:53 PM
There are buildings in the area between racer and jack rabbit. But i have heard rumors that KW is trying to aquire more land leading from behind the racer, towards the mcdonalds that is a short distance away. As of now i cant remember where i heard that, but ill edit my post when i do. A stand up like the Schorcher would be ideal for KW because it was designed to fit in a tight place. If KW would get a stand up without taking out the Revenge, then id imagine that the design would be compact.
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