Top Gun is an excellent coaster in a lousy location. Has Kings Island built bad rides? Certainly. Is Top Gun one of them? Not in my opinion.
--Dave Althoff, Jr.
"1. the ride itself hasn't been built yet"
While the actual ride itself hasn't been installed yet, other part of the attraction have.
"2.PKI has given NO info as to what the ride is"
That all depends on what you are reading or looking at. From the announcement day, I had a hunch of what the ride could be just by looking at one of the renderings. As for the park not giving any info on what the ride could be, they did say it would be a " totally emersive dark ride experiance". What you make out of that is up to you. I for one think that description will fit very well come opening day.
"3. No one has even seen pictures of the proposed ride".
That is not entirely true. I am positive there are more than a few that have seen 'something' as to what the ride may be.
It is true that this will be a brand new type of ride. As a matter of fact, no one has one yet. PKI will be the first. It won't be a coaster, and it won't be any type of simulator. The park has stated this also.
My advice to those that expecting something the park has clearly stated it won't be, is to wait until opening day, go into the ride with a open mind, a thirst for adventure, and remember the bottom line. These attractions that parks build are for FUN! Just remember that and I am sure you will enjoy whatever Tomb Raider dishes out.
As for learning exactly what the ride will be through the updates, perhaps that will happen, but then again, this is Jeff Siebert we are talking about here. He may just give a hint.......just long enough to make you ponder on it until it opens. He is the master of that after all. =:^)
Sean F. said:It is true that this will be a brand new type of ride. As a matter of fact, no one has one yet. PKI will be the first. It won't be a coaster, and it won't be any type of simulator. The park has stated this also.
Hey, Sean, can you clarify this statement a little. Am I safe to assume that you know what kind of ride it is, since you stated that no one has one of these rides? Do you classify a bigger type of an existing ride as 'new'? I'm mostly curious about the phrasing, because it almost sounds like you have some kind of idea.
I don't know... I don't think that I'd classify a bigger version of an existing ride with a changed programming scheme as new (going on the 'Super Top Spin in a box' theory as an example....). I was just curious as if that was what you meant to convey.
I know you're probably going off intuition and press releases (and the announcement day at the park), but I just wanted to clarify things.
Chris Rettig
-AKA always wrong :)
Would I consider a bigger version of an exsisting ride something new? Personally, yes I would consider that.
The way I look at it, we can look at a Giga coaster as being a larger version of something that is already out there.
This is no way means I know exactly what the ride may or may not be, but I thought I would answer your question instead of doing one of those " Hey! You are all wrong! It's another multi-looper in-a-box coaster" type posts that I have seen on here before. =:^)
Jacob
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quailroberts said:
Chernabog, what are you talking about? Disney and Universal are theme parks. You can't even compare them to PKI.
The moment that PKI announces an 'experience' or some story driven attraction, they are immediately allowing comparisons to both the Disney and Universal theme parks. Those companies do it better than anyone else, and Paramount doesn't deserve any sort of special consideration because they've traditionally only built non-themed, non-story driven attractions. If they're going to enter the market, they're going to compete with the best.
And what rides has PKI 'cloned'? Every coaster in the park (except Face/Off) has been a completely new design. And how about Disney copying PKI and PKD when they built the Rock'n Rollercoaster?
Paramount has cloned Flight of Fear. But, that's not the context in which I was speaking. Flight of Fear was a first of it's kind, but the essential components of a roller coaster are still there. The introduction of LIM's was a technological leap forward, but Paramount had little, if any involvement in the development of the actual technology. All of the rides at Paramount parks come from a similar background - while Hypersonic XLC might be the first, it's still a turnkey solution by virtue of the fact that anyone with enough money could go out and buy one. Conversely, The Amazing Adventures of Spiderman is a one of kind, developed almost entirely in house by Universal Creative. It is unique, and will probably remain so for a long time to come.
Paramount doesn't have the financial or technological resources to undertake and design and development project of that magnitude. That is why, in most cases, they outsource their rides to a separate contractor, who is then free to go and sell this product to anyone who's interested.
Fairly, the Rock 'N' Roller Coaster installations are also turnkey solutions. Nobody's perfect, I guess.
By the way, how can anyone make judgements on a ride under these circumstances:
I made no judgements. Instead, I inferred a conclusion from availble information. The ride could be absolutely amazing, if it is just a flat ride in a box. I happen to like flat rides, actually.
~ Michael ~
While PKI may be beefing up things in the theme department, I don't look at that is competing with Disney or Universal. Disney and Universal don't have parks near Ohio and they are open year round. If PKI wanted to compete with them, I think they could do it another way. I think PKI is competing with the rest of the Midwest other than the mega themers in Califormia and Florida. The theming at PKI this past season (and next year for sure), is on a caliber that Ohio hasn't seen before.
As for cloned coasters, Top Gun is also a clone. Paramount Canada Wonderland's version of Vortex was open before Top Gun. Both have basically the same stats, and the same layout.
In my opinion, Disney didn't "copy" Paramount with Flight of Fear. Sure, they both are launched, indoor, multi looping coasters, but they don't have the same layout, nor the same launch system. Not to defend Disney, but if you wanted to be technical about it, they were the first park to use LIMs in a coaster.
Anyone want to guess the coaster(s)?
Is TR: TR a 3D effect ride?
I just found out that the Eiffel Tower at PKI had a steel antenna that used to flash red beacon at night, and in 1993 or 1994, that antenna chopped off or something. The Tower was orignally 331 feet and six inches, and now it is 314 feet tall. The antenna on top of the Eiffel Tower now flash white beacon at night. What happened to that antenna (331 feet tall) that used to flash red beacon at night?
Derek
What a question! Maby the current construction is just a cover up of where TR:TR really will be. The construction could be just a big warehouse where KI will store all their new TR merchendise to be sold! Or I could be wrong
I don't think TR: TR won't be a "3-D Spiderman type ride" but I think it will be very multi dimensional....if that makes sense. If you mean 3-D as in "wearing those plastic shades" type 3-D, then I don't think it will be. As for the tower question, I haven't heard anything about that one. I am going to the park on Sunday and will try and get an answer about that.
Jacob.......you have to go back much further than that. Think Mountain. =:^)
Ahhh. Gatorwoodie! I remember you also! As a matter of fact, I have a picture you may be interested in regarding your signature.
KIBeast: LOL! Knowing the amount of Son of Beast merchandise the park had available the last two years, a warehouse might be a good idea.
-Sean (Hot sauce? Really? Cool!)
but if you wanted to be technical about it, they were the first park to use LIMs in a coaster.
Anyone want to guess the coaster(s)?
I'm really tired, so I'll just take a shot at this first -
I know the WEDWAY Peoplemovers use LIM's as a propulsion system, though I wouldn't consider them a coaster.
The Matterhorn uses drive tires throughout the course to regulate the speed of the sleds.
My guess is Big Thunder Mountain Railroad, but it's only a guess. Of course, the LIM's aren't used for propulsion in whatever case this is, but braking instead. It could just as easily be Space Mountain, or something else entirely.
~ Michael ~
Also, look at what used to be Days of Thunder, which was a motion based ride...they did away with that after a couple of years, so they had to take out all the theming for that ride.
Sean F. said:
In my opinion, Disney didn't "copy" Paramount with Flight of Fear. Sure, they both are launched, indoor, multi looping coasters, but they don't have the same layout, nor the same launch system. Not to defend Disney, but if you wanted to be technical about it, they were the first park to use LIMs in a coaster.
Anyone want to guess the coaster(s)?
I agree with you about Disney not copying Flight of Fear although I guess one would think the two were fairly similar. I actually love both of the coasters for different reasons so I personally wouldn't go with near the same design. Oh, if you wanted to know someone that 'copied' Disney's RnRC, there's a little coaster called Superman The Ride at SFHolland.
Oh yeah. Since no one guessed it yet and I'm a Disney junkie, the answer is obviously Space Mountain....at Disneyland Paris. Think outiside the box people.
Villege12 said:
I don't feel that PKI will be able to keep up with the theming of TR:TR...b/c look at their other "so called" themed rides...Top Gun, Adventure Express....they might have been cool the year they were built, but after that, the theming has deteriorated on those rides.
Ok is it just me or can any non-Disney/ Universal/ Busch park keep up with their theming really well? I personally think the Paramount Top Gun's still look fairly nice and the overall themed areas at their parks look together(scratch how two mine trains somehow ended up in lands out of theme). I highly respect PKI for attempting to theme like they've done with the kid's areas(the best anywhere I think), and what will happen to TRTR. It at least looks on par with the Disneyland theming of Indiana Jones. But hey, if Cedar Point can't theming, we sure as heck know nobody else can! ;)
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Danny, who thinks PKI should have known better to make Top Gun a B&M invert :(*** This post was edited by Koaster King on 11/2/2001. ***
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