New DL Space mountain - B&M?

Thursday, September 8, 2005 4:18 PM
I'm not so sure about this, but the latest AB magazine reported that B&M supplied the track for the new SPace Mountain for about 16 million.http://www.screamscape.com/html/disneyland.htm
Everyone assumed it was Vekoma like most of Disney's coaster projects of the last 10 years. Does anyone know for a fact either way? When I rode it the first week of July it was VERY VERY smooth. What a killer ride..and the soundtrack was awesome.
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Thursday, September 8, 2005 4:24 PM
I don't buy it. Unless the track is B&M box spine I don't see how it could possibly be B&M. Plus, Vekoma is widely reported to be the builder of Hong Kong's Space Mountain, and both were fabricated by the same company nearly simultaneously (heretofore assumed to be Vekoma) for cost savings.
So unless every report stating that Vekoma built HK's is wrong, AB's reporting is incorrect.
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Thursday, September 8, 2005 4:25 PM
Can you see the track at all? That would give it away I think.
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Thursday, September 8, 2005 4:45 PM
While I don't doubt that it is in AB Magazine, and I'm not going to say it isn't true, I would doubt it because of the simple fact that B&M doesn't even supply B&M track, do they? I mean, there is a company in the states that fabricates track, and G-Tec still does it in Europe, correct?

I could be very wrong, and it could very well be, but I slightly doubt it.

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Thursday, September 8, 2005 4:49 PM
Yes but B&M designs the track and just sub-contract out the actual fabrication of the track. If this were true, Disney's contract would be with B&M who would inturn pay the sub-contractor for trackwork themselves.
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Thursday, September 8, 2005 4:49 PM
Well, look at these pictures from RCDB:
http://www.rcdb.com/ig2491.htm

It sort-of has a Beemer-look

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Thursday, September 8, 2005 4:52 PM
Sounds like a mistake. I'm sure that Space Mountain's track is identical to that of Expedition Everest and since that is more or less identical to Vekoma's Booster Bike coasters, there's your answer.
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Thursday, September 8, 2005 4:53 PM
Ah, Okay. That makes more sense, Onceler :).

Edit: After looking at pix of the track, I rescend that statement. It could very well be B&M, box track, similar ties. I assumed that it was more circular in the spine, mostly because I thought it was more like the old track.

Perhaps it is B&M track. *** Edited 9/8/2005 8:56:12 PM UTC by TeknoScorpion***

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Thursday, September 8, 2005 4:58 PM
No, that's not B&M. No way possible. B&M doesn't bolt the ties to the spine.

Not all box-shaped track is B&M track.

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Thursday, September 8, 2005 5:02 PM
You'll also note that the spine does not bend alongside the rails as with B&M track. I just noticed that. It's quite bizarre.
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Thursday, September 8, 2005 5:05 PM
Possible reasons behind that are the different trains, or some other reason Disney requested/the design requested.

RCDB lists these people as responsible for the coaster in the space that would normally say B&M, Intamin, etc. At this point, it could be anything. Darn Disney for their stupid "You can't name us as a refrence" rules.

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Thursday, September 8, 2005 7:18 PM
Very interesting pics....
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Thursday, September 8, 2005 7:26 PM
That track looks like suped-up B&M track if anything, like it is going to be used by NASA or something. I mean, look at all those bolts and structural ties.
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Thursday, September 8, 2005 7:39 PM
Come on, folks...if Disney asked B&M to manufacture track at slightly different specs they'd do you really think they'd turn down the business? Besides its highly unlikely that Amusement Business would make such an error.
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Thursday, September 8, 2005 7:45 PM
Just remember Psyclone's trains!!!
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Thursday, September 8, 2005 8:38 PM
Actually, moosh, I do think they'd turn it down. B&M has a history of being a bit crotchety about changing things, it seems to me their general policy is 'buy what's on the lot'. Try buying a gigacoaster from them and see how far you get.

Anyway, there's still waaay too many sources that claim a Vekoma connection and NO sources besides AB that claim a B&M connection. I'm just not buying.

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Wednesday, September 14, 2005 4:08 PM
In my best Playa' voice... "I toooold yoooooou"
http://www.screamscape.com/html/disneyland.htm
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Wednesday, September 14, 2005 4:36 PM
While your link supports my argument I still don't consider Screamscape to be a creditible source of, well, anything.
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Wednesday, September 14, 2005 7:14 PM
It is soooo smooth and soooo good... who cares who built it! ;)

I personally don't think it's B&M.

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Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:39 PM
Here's one for you. One of Amec's pages shows a picture of a Premier spaghetti bowl coaster. Could be that they've been doing fabrication for Premier. I wonder if Premier could have been involved?
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