New boats for Knott's Perilous Plunge

^Interesting that you know what Intamin has tried and hasn't tried, are you on their payroll or something? *** Edited 6/10/2006 3:37:41 PM UTC by matt.***

^Do you honestly think that if they had a new design that it wouldnt have hit the market yet? Its been 3 years since those incidents.

2022 Trips: WDW, Sea World San Diego & Orlando, CP, KI, BGW, Bay Beach, Canobie Lake, Universal Orlando

You guys are missing it big time. The new design has already hit the market in the form of these OTSR/Lapbar hybrid things.

CP doesn't seem to have much of a problem with their lapbars. MF is going on its 7th season and no has fallen out. How unreliable?

^Thats because it doesn't have any airtime. ;)

Touchdown said:
^Do you honestly think that if they had a new design that it wouldnt have hit the market yet? Its been 3 years since those incidents.

I honestly think that unless you work for the company, you don't know what they have and haven't done at the drawing board, that's all I'm saying. You claim that is fact that they "haven't tried" and frankly, you have no way of knowing that.

Then again, you don't have to be on the payroll to see at least one thing they've tried:

http://amusementpics.com/2006%20Coaster/060606-032.jpg

This one made it off the drawing board and into real life. *** Edited 6/10/2006 7:04:00 PM UTC by matt.*** *** Edited 6/10/2006 7:04:35 PM UTC by matt.***

If on Tidal Force at HP I can be safely held in by a large lap bar that only has one position then I have a hard time believing that the same thing cant protect me on PP.

HA. The people that use that argument are the ones that have never seen Plunge or ridden it in person to know that a 78-degree drop in 115 feet of water chute (Perilous Plunge) is nothing like a 50-degree drop in 90 feet of water chute (Tidal Force).

I was almost glad it wasn't running the first time I saw it installed at Knott's... :-0

I went on it once add I got so wet I never wanted to ride it again. It is like getting held under water for 10 seconds wet.

It is indeed is the BEST of any of those type rides. The most air time I have ever had...and frankly the most frightening drop I can remember. Funny...I thought to myself then...somebody is going to fall out of that thing!

The transition from parallel to the ground to the drop is just too quick! God I love it! :-)

kRaXLeRidAh said:
If on Tidal Force at HP I can be safely held in by a large lap bar that only has one position then I have a hard time believing that the same thing cant protect me on PP.
HA. The people that use that argument are the ones that have never seen Plunge or ridden it in person to know that a 78-degree drop in 115 feet of water chute (Perilous Plunge) is nothing like a 50-degree drop in 90 feet of water chute (Tidal Force).

If I can drop 300ft at an 80 degree angle, then I can certainly do 115 at 78 degrees.

2022 Trips: WDW, Sea World San Diego & Orlando, CP, KI, BGW, Bay Beach, Canobie Lake, Universal Orlando

Touchdown said:
Why is it then that Intamin has resorted to putting OTSRs on all their new rides then? Its not just the STC rides, its also the S:ROS incident. One only has to look at their main compition, B&M, to see how successful lap bars can be, even in an open train.

I'm sure you know this, but the way you worded your post it makes it sound like the S:ROS coasters HAVE OTSR's. They do not!

No the SROS dont have a lapbar, the SFNE S:ROS incident helped percipate the OTSRs on rockets.

2022 Trips: WDW, Sea World San Diego & Orlando, CP, KI, BGW, Bay Beach, Canobie Lake, Universal Orlando

You can't compare PP's first drop with MF's first drop, apple and oranges. Especially considering that your argument is that PP would be adequate with a single position lap bar. MF doesn't have a single position lap bar, so how does this even come into the equation?

If there was a coaster that had a 78 degree drop off of a midcourse (with trims on of course), then you could compare. Especially if it had a 'buzz bar'. The closest thing I could compare it to coaster wise would be the drop on Cyclops and if you've ridden it you know how insane that is. But the big difference here is that Cyclops drop is nowhere near 78 degrees.

PP is different from your standard chute the chutes. I for one was glad that it had more than your typical single position lap bar. I honestly don't think you'd get thrown from a standard chute the chutes if there wasn't some kind of restraining device. You obviously would on PP.

*** Edited 6/10/2006 11:33:26 PM UTC by Incidentalist***

Yeah is Good!

I'm telling you...there is no coaster with the experience like the Plunge's drop (I've not done Sheikra yet---I'll tell you in about 4 weeks though)! You can choose to believe or not believe. I don't like getting wet...so I usually avoid this thing. However...everybody should try it once. Especially in the back!

Of course the 5-points ruined a lot of the air. Here is to hoping the overheads will allow some movement.

Touchdown said:
kRaXLeRidAh said:
If on Tidal Force at HP I can be safely held in by a large lap bar that only has one position then I have a hard time believing that the same thing cant protect me on PP.
HA. The people that use that argument are the ones that have never seen Plunge or ridden it in person to know that a 78-degree drop in 115 feet of water chute (Perilous Plunge) is nothing like a 50-degree drop in 90 feet of water chute (Tidal Force).
If I can drop 300ft at an 80 degree angle, then I can certainly do 115 at 78 degrees.

Ew just stop yourself right now. You know going 80 degrees and leveling out in 300-feet of track is not going to have as much ejector air and force as going 78 degrees (two degrees short of 80) within 115-feet of track.

You haven't been on Perilous Plunge, so don't talk like you know "how this lapbar could keep you in." Talk to anybody that has been on it AND Millennium Force. It's not the same situation. Sure, they both go 80-degrees, but one accomplishes that with LESS than half the distance of the other one YET with the same angle of descent. Meaning, the transitions are more extreme on Perilous Plunge, with no gradual pull in-and outs like Millennium Force's first drop.

Jeffrey R Smith said:
It is indeed is the BEST of any of those type rides. The most air time I have ever had...and frankly the most frightening drop I can remember. Funny...I thought to myself then...somebody is going to fall out of that thing!
The transition from parallel to the ground to the drop is just too quick! God I love it! :-)

I'd have to agree. The drop on Perilous Plunge is by far the scariest drop ever created by man, it's ferocious! MF's first drop isn't even in the same ballpark. Perhaps those riding El Toro next week will understand. It's one thing to coast over a drop will the control of a chain/cable lift. It's quite another to build speed during a pre-drop turnaround, and literally drop as if dropping off a table! I knew if they weren't careful, someone would flyout.