New Balder video

Monday, March 24, 2003 6:41 AM
Check it out!

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"Everybody loves Moosh!" - Dawnmarie313

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Monday, March 24, 2003 7:13 AM
Looks like a nice coaster. Too bad it has fridges in stead of coaster trains.. ;)

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Dutch Coastin' :: European coasters, thrills and theming!

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Monday, March 24, 2003 8:05 AM
I don't see why everyone hates those trains. I actually kind of like them. They're really open.

The video is taking forever to buffer for me, and I'm on a T1 line. It may be that lots of people are trying to download it, so the server's swamped. I hope it's worth it.

Oh, it's a 9 meg video, folks, so it may take a while.

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thingintheworldhelpmeIamgoingtodieAHHHH!!!

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Monday, March 24, 2003 8:08 AM
I'm having the same problem, haux. I'm thinking either the site is getting tons of traffic or it just sucks.

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-Vater
'These pretzels are making me thirsty.'
Take a ride...

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Monday, March 24, 2003 8:14 AM
If you right-click and save as, it's much easier to handle than waiting for it to stream.

This coaster blooks incredible! Great air, very intense speed over the tops of the hills, and CRAZY headchoppers!! When will we get one of these in the US?

-Matt

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Monday, March 24, 2003 8:25 AM
For those of you that haven't seen the video yet, it's a must see. The train absolutely flies over the hills - should be insane airtime. The layout looks great as well.

Couple of things interesting here, as mentioned above and elsewhere - the rolling stock and the "new Intamin track." Both completely intriuge me: the stock because I've never seen any wooden stock like it (looks like a cross between an old arrow hyper tub-train with cut down sides and Intamin new hyper restraints), and the track, well, I suppose it doesn't look *that* different from regular wooden track, but somehow it looks not real.

Anybody have any links to the technical details about either of the above?

I sure wish a park in the states (*cough* in Ohio *cough*) would get one of these. I have a feeling they're going to be something special.

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Monday, March 24, 2003 9:24 AM
Hmmm, technical details, not exactly.

The cars are more or less like the Intamin Mega/Giga rolling stock. Apart from being quite ugly, they rock!

You have three rows of stadium seating with the original garden-chair design. They could use a little more legroom, though. They run on polyurethane wheels, but the wheel assembly is woody-style, with the guiding wheels on the inside.

Another innovation, which was added after they toyed with trimbrakes on Colossos: The trimbraking is now executed by the wheel axis itself! This means, when the train surpasses its speed, the train brakes down to maximum/optimum speed. This is very good for maintenance and you hardly feel it while you are on the ride. Its a big advantage to usual trimbrakes.

I explained the track- technique in another thread, but since I am trying to eliminate the wrong term "plug n play coaster", i will gladly write it again.;-)

I know that many purists are opposed to the new Stengel-track, calling it not real wood etc.

Sure, Colossos is missing the shake and roll (its slowly beginning to shuffle a bit, so you won´t be fooled riding a steel coaster while you ride with eyes shut.)

The track is laser-cut by computerized machines out of a SOLID WOODEN BEAM. While building the support structure, the needed data is transferred to the cutting plant, by the carpenters on-site. This way, you will have a nearly perfect fitting, three dimensional wooden rail for either side of the track.

Advantages are plenty: The shuffling from left to right is minimized, cause the tracks are fitting on the supports and there is no alteration in width and height.

The rails last longer because the laminated wood on traditional coasters tends to split and adding new layers of wood is never so precise. If a new piece of track is needed, the park just calls a wood supplier (with the necessary equipment) and gives them the data of the needed track. The new track could be ready in no-time.

Actually, the new Intamin track is PUREST wood, cause its made out of a solid block. The only steel is used for the running rails (as normal) and a specially designed steel bolt is connecting two pieces of track.

There are as well some differences in the design of the support structure. COLOSSOS looks very delicate for a wooden structure of this hight (compare to SOB, which I think is NOT in an earthquake zone).

There is as well an innovation where the supports hit the ground: Its somehow elevated so that the wood will not rot so fast. The guarantied lifetime is at least 20 years!

This track.technique allows more extreme manouvers, such as 70° drop (on BALDER) and extremely banked curves. I wouldn´t be surprised if we see some new inversions on woodies (if they can manage the supports).

It is questionable, however if there is a need for a wooden coaster that can perform tricks like a steel ride. But, hey you still have the smell and the optic of a woodie. And IMO the rides are extremely enjoyable, thrilling and funny.

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i was a teenage rollercoaster designer

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Monday, March 24, 2003 9:55 AM
I never really understood the opposition to these new styles wooden coasters. If you want wood that shakes and rattles, then go ride one. There are plenty of them out there. I see nothing wrong with developing a new, smoother style wood coaster that can do things that the old style just can't. I'd rather see this, than no new wood built at all(which seems to be where we're headed). To me it just means something else to choose from when I pay to enter a park. And like I've always said, give enthusiasts "airtime", and in the end the coaster could be plastic and they wouldn't care. ;)

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People complain about clones, yet can't even come up with original conversation, which is ten times worse.

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Monday, March 24, 2003 11:49 AM
Doug - I think the track looks "not real" because there are none of those smaller cross-braces of wood inbetween the main track supports, leaving gaping holes inbetween the rails ... which to me does look weird

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-Keith "Badnitrus" McVeen

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Monday, March 24, 2003 12:04 PM

tricktrack said:
They run on polyurethane wheels

No wonder it didn't sound like a real wooden coaster. I'm all for making advances in wood, but not making them into steel coasters. I think this ride has a great layout, but it doesn't seem to have that classic wooden "feel" to it.

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Am I really that shy?

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Monday, March 24, 2003 6:57 PM
Hey tricktrack are there any drawbacks to the new track technology besides price? Also how did you type in the degree symbol? I can not find it on my keyboard.
*** This post was edited by Pink Floyd Fanatic 3/25/2003 12:04:10 AM ***
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Monday, March 24, 2003 8:28 PM
Who cares what it sounds like as long as it's a great ride with lots of air.. If you miss the sound that badly just go "shhhhhhhhhhhhhh" the next time you ride it.

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On the Titan at SFOT last week, I saw a bird coming torward me on the first drop and i thought to myself, "Crap, I'm gonna pull a Fabio."

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Monday, March 24, 2003 8:45 PM
Wow. The speed it has over those hills is amazing.

You know, this might just be the kind of woodie that SFMM could take good care of, (hint, hint). ;)

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The Trip: CP, SFWoA, PKI, KW, HW, IB, SFGAm, MiA and LeSourdsville too.
8 Days- 10 parks. May 2003

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003 1:44 AM

Pink Floyd Fanatic said:
Hey tricktrack are there any drawbacks to the new track technology besides price? Also how did you type in the degree symbol? I can not find it on my keyboard.
*** This post was edited by Pink Floyd Fanatic 3/25/2003 12:04:10 AM ***

Time will tell. I think a big drawback is the negative attitude most woody purists seem to have against it.

Thats why I always object and type until my fingers are bleeding that the term PLUG AND PLAY is completely wrong for this technique.

The price is a difficult question. IF the positive aspects hold true over a longer operation period, the maintenance costs should make up for a higher price tag.

I am not too familiar how long a ride like SHIVERING TIMBERS or SOB took to erect. I think "C" was up quite quick. So you would save on workers (but this is my speculation. I am gladly learning different views).

When "C" was opened it was already announced that a similar ride was to be built in th US (california was mentioned), but this appears to be canceled.

Its strange though, SF parks who tend to let their woodies fall in a state of neglect, could use low maintenace woodies. But I really thinlk they fear the wood purists (who only exist on the US).

Now for the "°" question: I am typing on a german manual. This has lots of °^äüö and stuff. But the ° sign should be on all manuals. Its the key left to the "1". Press shift . I have no idea where you could find it if its not on your manual.

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i was a teenage rollercoaster designer

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003 3:18 AM
The "°"-symbol isn't included on a QUERTY keyboard, it is only on others, like a German AZERTY. You can simply copy and paste it from tricktrack's post or use the corresponding ALT-code.

If you're writing in HTML, you can use the ° tag. :)

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Dutch Coastin' :: European coasters, thrills and theming!

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