Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:04 AM
Both Mantis and Chang have an awesome-looking (never ridden them) non-inversion element between the dive-loop and the inclined loop. It's like a Schwarzkopf climb twisted into a high 270-degree turn, followed by a relatively straight drop. Does this element have a proper name, something more concise than "like that weird turn over the station on Mantis?" Any suggestions for this, or other anonymous elements deserving of an official industry name?
Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:12 AM
It's called a 'Carousel.'
Thursday, June 19, 2003 3:08 AM
Thanks, Taipan. I've been referring to it as an "Oblique Loop" ever since reading ACE News article about Mantis, but it was unclear which element they were referring to. Perhaps "Oblique Loop" is just an alternate name for the Inclined Loop. Are the two elements immediately following the loop on Georgia Scorcher also considered Carousels? Whatever these are called, I'd like to seem more of them on B&M coasters.
Thursday, June 19, 2003 5:12 AM
I think they're only something that is/would be exciting on the stand-up design frame. As it has been said many times that stand-up is a gimmick that has run its course, I doubt you'll see more.
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Thursday, June 19, 2003 7:47 AM
is this the same turnaround on Iron Wolf? does anyone have a picture of this?
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Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:30 AM
Also can be found on S: KC at Fiesta Texas....
Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:42 AM
I believe what they're referring to can be seen in this photo
, Turbo. The train in that pic is in the dive loop and you can see the inlcine loop in the back right. The track filling the back middle/right of the photo is the section of track I think is being talked about.
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Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:48 AM
there is also one on The Hulk roller coaster. It goes around the luanch tube after th loop. Not quite what is on Mantis but close, and it is what B&M calls it. Look here: http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery557.htm?Picture=10
. It basically B&M's name for a helix.
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Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:51 AM
Nah, coasterdude38, they're not even close. Hulk's is just a circle around the tube
. Mantis' is exactly what railshark said, the climb, the 270 and the drop.
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*** This post was edited by Lord Gonchar 6/19/2003 2:55:07 PM ***
Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:52 PM
Yes, Gonchar. The "Carousel" in the photo is what I'm talking about. A description of Chang in Rollercoaster! magazine mentioned that it had a "Vertical Helix." Same element? Or is this one of the twisties near the end?
Saturday, June 21, 2003 11:03 AM
I believe the first one on a coaster was on what is now Batman: The Escape at Six Flags AstroWorld, but was built first at SFMM known as Shockwave.