Yeah, I think you way misinterpreted what I was saying (I think I was just unclear). I was wondering why (or if) your feet not touching the floor has anything to do with the size of the restraint. And in my X comment, maybe it wasn't clear, but I mean to say that X is basically a flat ride (the independent roatation) on rails (sorta my stoopit way of saying it's a coaster).
And I apologize for starting a little B&M v Intamin war here. Didn't mean that (And PS, STE is not a coaster and Overbanked turns are not inversions)
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Why ride rough coasters when you can ride smooth ones?
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I'm pretty sure that both companies will keep making coasters so why dont the Intimin fans go to the new Intimin coasters and the B&M fans can go to the new B&M coasters? They are both great companies that have accomplished a lot! Aren't we enthusiasts? Why dont you act like it and like all rollercoasters? I like both but I did get kind of mad when I drove 8 hours only to find that MF was closed!
I-Tame-Raging-Bulls said:
I like both but I did get kind of mad when I drove 8 hours only to find that MF was closed!
Driving 8 hours to find that MF was closed was just bad luck and could happen on any coaster at any park. Yes even a B&M
PKI Fanatic, I know it could happen on a B&M. In fact Raptor was closed too. I was simply saying that I was mad because MF was closed.
coaster_fanatic_kid said:
OK, I'll comment on some of these replies. SUF's Pretzel Loop was not supposed to be intense, at least I got that impression from Claude when he got off. In an interview, he said, "I did not expect it to perform the way it did"
B&M knew in advance how stong that element could be. As a matter of fact, there is a set of trims before the element that can be used to slow the train down if requested by the park.
Please explain to me how the lack of launched B&Ms is the parks fault? B&M does not off a launched ride, IOA asked for Hulk to be launched. Although in a couple years we will be seeing more of B&Ms being launched.
Easy. No other park has asked B&M to produce a launched ride. Just because they may not offer a launched ride in their brochure doesn't always mean they won't do it. My guess is they want a lot of money for a launch system and a park didn't want to pay that much. They have looked at offering a launch system before using compressed air if I am not mistaken.
GS does not have a stengle dive, it is more of a banked dive, not an overbanked camel back.
It has a parabolic curve while rotating riders on their sides. You are correct, it doesn't have a stengle dive. I never said it did. I said it had something similar. To me, they look like they would offer the same type of feeling, I am going to ride Goliath in a couple of months and see if that holds true.
Oblivion and the edge. Ooooo, B&M dared to go vertical, o wait, no they didn't go vertical, and, o wait, there are only two of those coasters, and they have OSTRs, what about XCellerator, can you say vertical, with lap bars, and with complete lack of support.
Ok, now it seems you are just going for more of a B&M bash than trying to get your point across. And for the record, there was a sort of joke about my comment about Oblivion that I guess you didn't pick up on.
B&M Hyper restraints - Please tell me how riders feet touching the floor or not makes a difference? I truely just don't get it. I mean, those restraints just have so much vertical bulkiness.
If you have noticed, B&M provide a lot of trains with riders feet being suspended. The inverted, floorless, speed coasters, updated sit-down all have riders legs suspended. This has two purposes. One, it prevents riders from standing up, and two, B&M have found out riders like to have their feet suspened a lot times to provide a sense of flying.
And don't anyone dare say X is not an amazing engineering feat.It's not. As a matter of fact, it's a GREAT feat. I don't think anyone would doubt that.
It enables us to do so much more with coasters, it's just incredible. Basically it's a flat ride on rails that are 180+ feet off the ground
It's more than that IMO. The possibilities are endless with that type of ride system.
-Sean (who for the record loves all kinds of manufactures and really doesn't see the point in trying to bash one in particular considering they are all to provide fun) F.
*** This post was edited by Sean F. on 5/12/2002. ***
Bilelele said:
sean f., the only thing i have to about the b and m 4d is i hope not. i mean, look at air, everybody ranted and raved about how awesome it would be, and now, thats all you can hear about it. air. hence NOTHING.
IMO, that's because everyone expected a intense thrill ride. Alton never marketed it as that but people failed to see that. If you get your hopes up, you sometimes will look at a ride in a disappointing manner.
and then theres suf. the pretzel loop looks cool. THATS IT.
It may be the hightlight of the ride but there is a lot more to that ride than just that element. The whole ride is great IMO.
anymore those guys refuse to think up something new. they need to get there own ideas.
Hmmm. I could say the same thing about Vekoma and Intamin, but it's pointless.
-Sean
*** This post was edited by Sean F. on 5/12/2002. ***
hey sean f. you must like quoting people huh? but if you want to say that intamin arent inovating. well lets see. mf, tallest coaster (if only for a while) eleavator lift system which was never done before, 122 degree banked turn not once, but twice.
volcano, first inverted blast coaster
linear gale, first shuttle inverted coaster
the list goes on and on. the guys at intamin bring us some of the greatest and off the wall coaster ideas there are.
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ladies and gentlemen, due to an increase in line jumping, people caught cutting in line will no longer be ejected from the park. u will be ejected from the ride
Bilelele said:
hey sean f. you must like quoting people huh?
Guess so. It's the easiest way to make sure something is not mis-quoted.
but if you want to say that intamin arent inovating. well lets see. mf, tallest coaster (if only for a while) eleavator lift system which was never done before, 122 degree banked turn not once, but twice.
I didn't say a thing about Intamin not being innovative. They do have some great innovations. I agree, the MF lift is something unique. My point was just because B&M have made changes on existing designs that may have been previously available doesn't mean they aren't innovated. Both Intamin and Vekoma came up with inverted designs after B&M debuted it for instance.It's called evolving.
volcano, first inverted blast coaster
Not true. Linear Gale actually was the first lauched inverted if that is what you mean.
linear gale, first shuttle inverted coaster
No difference from Volcano other than it being a shuttle. Same technology used on both rides.
the list goes on and on. the guys at intamin bring us some of the greatest and off the wall coaster ideas there are.
I agree, they have some great stuff. My original point was that I don't see the reason in bashing a ride manufacture because they all have one basic funtion. To provide fun for people.
-Sean
Intamin and B&M are both fantastic companies, INtamin seems to use technology more to go the extreme, B&M seems to use technology to advance safety. They appeal to different parts of a park, B&M to the safety part with some fun to add, Intamin to the "I want a record breaking intense thrill ride" part. But just to clear something up, LG and V:TBC use slightly diff technology. Yes, they both use LIMs that are able to fire when the train is moving, but LG must have the capability to reverse it's fire, while Volcano must just do it one way. Just thought I'd say that. O, and I may be adding some CCI, Premier, GCI stuff later.
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Why ride rough coasters when you can ride smooth ones?
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Bilelele,
The Entire Superman Ultimate Flight Experience was awesome. NOT just the pretzel loop (which has extreme airtime by the way). Maybe B&M rides are smoother than other rides, but I think that a roller coaster is a roller coaster. One of my favorite rides is Raging Bull and it has plenty of airtime. SFGAm has 3 pretty good B&M's IMO.
Was B&M the first to make the flying coaster the way they did?( going up the lift hill already in flying position)
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coaster_fanatic_kid, I don't understand how you think that you can provide an accurate analyzation of these companies or types of rides if you've only ridden 17 coasters.
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Why ride rough coasters when you can ride smooth ones?
1.Medusa-SFGAdv 1.Batman:The Chiller 1.Mo
I think people like to bash B+M because they seem like their style of coasters are just 'too well engineered"
Imagine if B+M coasters never existed? Thats a lot of top-ranked coasters that we'd never experience
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Well, I'm split right down the middle. Like he said, Vekoma has some great ideas, but their rides are rough usually, and are always having mechanical trouble. Intamin's are INCREDIBLE, not just their hypers, but their prototype rides, suspended coasters, wood coasters, THEY'RE ALL GREAT!! However, like MagnumAllen said, they do have some trouble with them. SROS at SFNE is often breaking down unfortunately. I'm not sure about MF or the other SROS coasters. B&m though...THEY NAIL IT RIGHT ON THE HEAD! They may not offer insane prototypes or crazy innovations, but they offer GREAT COASTERs-just that. Trouble free, reliable, smooth, quality pieces of engineering that thrill the public.
By the way, I just wanted to add that if a park wants a non-intense ride, B&M will design it. It isnt always up to B&M for how the coaster will feel. The GP generally doesnt like huge g's either, IMO.
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Make it to SFNE for S:Ros and BDK!!!!
CoasterGuy said:
By the way, I just wanted to add that if a park wants a non-intense ride, B&M will design it. It isnt always up to B&M for how the coaster will feel. The GP generally doesnt like huge g's either, IMO.
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You hit the nail right on the head there. I know a lot of coaster enthusiasts look for intensity and massive G-forces to fulfill their ever-increasing appetite for new experiences. However, the GP who rides maybe 2 or 3 coasters a year in general doesn't look at it that way. They want something fun and exciting that won't make them feel as though their heads are being pulled off. B&M offers coasters that appeal to the park-going masses, not just the hard-core thrill seekers.
*** This post was edited by Lallen on 5/14/2002. ***
I don't remember ripping Vekoma coaster kid. My favorite ride is a Vekoma. And no, you can't judge a company of 45+ coasters by riding five of them.
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*** This post was edited by phydeux on 5/15/2002. ***
Why are we all ranting over two outstanding companies that should be seperated into different catagories? I mean B&M's are fun, reliable very photogenic. Intamin rides on the other hand are fun, fast and photoganic too. Each ride company has it's own unique qualities and traits. Like, lets say B&M made an exact copy of Goliath at SFH. Would the ride experience be the same? Of course not because B&M rides differently than an Intamin. Its just like the car thing that comes up time and time again. We got to BMW for fun and speed(maybe). Then we go to Mercedes for luxury and comfort. We go to B&M for luxury and comfort and Intamin for fun (well, they're both fun) and speed.
Thank you and please ride safely.
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