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There are no drops with an angle greater than 90 degrees. What do you think a drop like that would be like? Do you think that there is a possibility that there will be a drop with an angle of more than 90 degrees?
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I've always dreamed of having a coaster with a drop of more than 90 degrees.
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The new "tilt coaster" has a drop of more than 90 degrees. Looks like fun!
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Oh i didnt know that... I thought it was exactly 90 degrees
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Personally, I think the tilt coaster is a accident looking for a place to strike. Whatever holds them on the platform that tilts is strong, but one day IT WILL BREAK. All things do, I just pray no one is on it when it happens...
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Mindbender...Can you hear the Riddler chuckling?
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Mindbender...Can you hear the Riddler chuckling?
I believe it would work, however there would be as much friction as an outward angle...let me explain. If the rollercoaster had a 92 degree drop, the friction would be the same as a rollercoaster with an 88 degree drop. A 90 degree drop would be frictionless (in theory). However, the greater frictional force would be on the upstop wheel instead of the wheels on top.
Of course, all of this is my theory, remember, all of this is in an ideal environment, I'm not taking into account wind resistance or weight per se.
But wouldn't the coaster cars come into effect here: the weight of most rollercoaster cars is down near the track (except for those Morgan trains:), the non-Phantoms Revenge ones that is). Wouldn't a coaster car need to be redesigned so that the weights would be up higher? Otherwise, wouldn't it put a tremendous amount of strain on the track and chassis of the car? The stuff about the cars is what I'm not as sure about. Oh, I don't know...I give up! Someone give me a hand here:)!
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Of course, all of this is my theory, remember, all of this is in an ideal environment, I'm not taking into account wind resistance or weight per se.
But wouldn't the coaster cars come into effect here: the weight of most rollercoaster cars is down near the track (except for those Morgan trains:), the non-Phantoms Revenge ones that is). Wouldn't a coaster car need to be redesigned so that the weights would be up higher? Otherwise, wouldn't it put a tremendous amount of strain on the track and chassis of the car? The stuff about the cars is what I'm not as sure about. Oh, I don't know...I give up! Someone give me a hand here:)!
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A New World. A New Technology. One Last Hope for Salvation. Neon Genesis Evangelion *** This post was edited by Coastercraver on 6/16/2001. ***
Mindbender04 said:
"...IT WILL BREAK. All things do..."
Not if it is well maintained, and if everything breaks then there is no difference between that and another coaster... Are you not going to ride a coaster because you think it might break?? I'm sure Vekoma knows all the stress points in the structure and has come up with a safe ride, remeber safety first. It really looks bad for your company if one of your rides just breaks.
Plain and simple... It cannot and will not ever happen.
It's impossible, and it all has to do with physics people... and the forces that will be pulling on you. It's dangerous, and stupid. The strain that it would put on the riders shoulders would be too much. It's one thing for a loop or inversion, it's another for a drop. The train would be acting like a force trying to throw you from the train. Even the safest restraints would still be painful...
I don't know what it would hurt more... your neck, back, or shoulders... but it'd be like a whip trying to throw you.
That's almost as dumb an idea as a loop on the OUTSIDE (ie, the opposite sides of the tracks as your typical sit-down looper inversion)!
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It's impossible, and it all has to do with physics people... and the forces that will be pulling on you. It's dangerous, and stupid. The strain that it would put on the riders shoulders would be too much. It's one thing for a loop or inversion, it's another for a drop. The train would be acting like a force trying to throw you from the train. Even the safest restraints would still be painful...
I don't know what it would hurt more... your neck, back, or shoulders... but it'd be like a whip trying to throw you.
That's almost as dumb an idea as a loop on the OUTSIDE (ie, the opposite sides of the tracks as your typical sit-down looper inversion)!
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I wouldn't be so sure if I were you, you may have to eat your words someday. I don't think we are thinking about a whole drop of 90+ angle, but at just at the steepest point in the drop. I think it could happen easily on a 4D since the seats could be angles properly to handle the forces. We'll see...
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Anything goes in the coaster industry. Nobody thought there would be floorless top-rail trains a decade ago did they? Besides, a +90 degree drop is something for coasters evolve to, much like height.
Coastercraver said:
However, the greater frictional force would be on the upstop wheel instead of the wheels on top.
Otherwise, wouldn't it put a tremendous amount of strain on the track and chassis of the car
Simple, let's just beef the sucker up :)
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It's not as simple as 'Beefing the sucker up". part of a good coaster ride is that it is safe and comfortable. A drop with a descent angle of more than 90* would require such a large drop radius for the forces to be comfortable for the riders. A drop of more than 90* would make the track curve under, something very uncomfortable, meaning it would need massive OTSR. The radius of un-winding the drop would be about 300' , a lot of space. Don't count on seeing above 92*.
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a +90 degree drop would be the same as an outside loop. the passangers would come out of their seats and hit the restraint which would hurt alot.
not the greatest idea in the world, but if you really want to ride something like that, go ahead. I'll watch from the better coaster across the way.
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not the greatest idea in the world, but if you really want to ride something like that, go ahead. I'll watch from the better coaster across the way.
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this park is not copless so please don't go topless
Velduanga said:
"Anything goes in the coaster industry. Nobody thought there would be floorless top-rail trains a decade ago did they? Besides, a +90 degree drop is something for coasters evolve to, much like height."
I have to agree, this is something coasters will have to evolve to.
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LOL, this subject made me think of when i went to CP with my brother. He was all confused on why Millennium Force's drop wasnt beyond vertical. i couldnt figure out why he would think this, then he asked "why does the logo look that way then?"...lol
Dawg Byte, I invite you to go look at some pics of the IAAPA booths before you talk.....there are plans for the coaster with a 90+ degree drop.
Of course its possible, this has nothing to do with up stops, look at the flying dutchmans. They dont have upstops, the wheels that run on the top and bottom of the rails are the same size, so it is of course possible. And, who says you need shoulder harnesses? I dont know about you guys, but arent you getting thrown outward on the MF drop? Yes. And does it hurt? No. If you really wanted to use shoulder harnesses you dont have to use hard cover harnesses. You can use something like the flying dutchmans have.
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CP in 2002, get to the point *** This post was edited by SmArtAce on 6/16/2001. ***
No, Flying Dutchmans are completely encapsulated around the track. All wheels are in contact with the rails at all times. So yes, It does have upstops. You ride on them when in the flying position. Only thing is all wheels are same size, that is why a flying dutchman is able to do the things it does and do it quite smoothly.
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Mindbender...Can you hear the Riddler chuckling?
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Couldnt they just invent a new lap bar that goes about chest high that is realy safe and doesnt cause pain? I think that this could be done!
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