Mitch's 2012 wood coaster poll

Saturday, December 8, 2012 3:36 PM

The poll is now open through January 8th.

http://www.ushsho.com/bestrollercoasterpoll.htm

Here's a link to the Easy Ballot:

http://hawker.stationbrakes.com/

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Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:04 AM

the results have been posted with Eltoro taking the top spot.

http://www.ushsho.com/woodrollercoasterpollresults2012.htm

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Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:39 AM
Vater's avatar

Blah blah blah sucks that <coaster x> is so low blah blah blah sample size too small blah blah why is <coaster y> not in top 10 blah algorithm blah blah CoasterBuzz poll more accurate blah blah TPR Europe trip blah blah...

Just trying to cover all the bases. :)

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Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:45 AM
LostKause's avatar

Post of the year, Vater. You might be psychic. lol


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Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:00 PM
Lord Gonchar's avatar

Top 6 USA woodies in Mitch's poll:

1. El Toro
2. The Voyage
3. Boulder Dash
4. Phoenix
5. Ravine Flyer II
6. Thunderhead

Top 6 in Coasterbuzz's top 100:

1. The Voyage
2. El Toro
3. Ravine Flyer II
4. Boulder Dash
5. Phoenix
6. Thunderhead

The system works!


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Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:11 PM

LostKause said:

Post of the year, Vater. You might be psychic. lol

"Might?"


The amusement park rises bold and stark..kids are huddled on the beach in a mist

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Sunday, January 13, 2013 2:46 PM
Jeff's avatar

Lord Gonchar said:
The system works!

More importantly to the point I've made for years, the complexity of Mitch's poll vs. the simplicity of my rating system and algorithm proves out that simplicity wins. Five choices to each ride takes almost no effort. Ranking them is a pain in the ass.


Jeff - Webmaster/Editor - CoasterBuzz.com - My Blog - Twitter - Video

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Sunday, January 13, 2013 2:54 PM
Lord Gonchar's avatar

Well, that's one way of looking at it. After 6 it diverges a bit.

I think of it more along the lines of...

The best coasters are generally agreed upon by the consensus. All the different polls do is try to sort out the small potatoes...which are just a matter of taste anyway. Regardless of the methodilogy used, those 5 or 10 coasters that are the best will always rise to the top. We all like them. We all know we like them. Why do we have to keep confirming it with each other?

Last edited by Lord Gonchar, Sunday, January 13, 2013 2:54 PM
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Sunday, January 13, 2013 3:46 PM

El Toro Toro Toro!!! Olè!!

Glad that it took the top spot....again!

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Sunday, January 13, 2013 4:33 PM
Jeff's avatar

I suppose I left out my previous frustrations with that poll though, that being sample size. Remember the years where some obscure coaster would be #1 because four people who have been on almost all coasters would influence the results? That I don't agree with, because it's not statistically significant. That's why I ditch any ride that hasn't seen at least half of the riders on it, and any rider that has been on less than half of the average number of rides.


Jeff - Webmaster/Editor - CoasterBuzz.com - My Blog - Twitter - Video

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Sunday, January 13, 2013 4:48 PM
Lord Gonchar's avatar

That's a decision I could argue either way and chalk up to 'creative decision' of those in charge of polling.

Sometimes a statistically significant sample simply doesn't exist and science becomes art.

Mitch chooses to err on the side of completeness - in that the list may not be 100% scientific, but you work it as far as you can with what you have in the name of list completeness.

You choose to err on the side of statistic accuracy in that you'll exclude rides that may very well deserve to be listed among the best because you can't justify including them statistically.

Honestly, I don't see one as better than the other. They're both 'wrong' in different ways.


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Sunday, January 13, 2013 5:43 PM
Jeff's avatar

Lord Gonchar said:

Sometimes a statistically significant sample simply doesn't exist and science becomes art.

Then it's no longer science... that's the point. It's like people who think you have "faith" in evolution, which is science. It's two categories of things.


Jeff - Webmaster/Editor - CoasterBuzz.com - My Blog - Twitter - Video

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Sunday, January 13, 2013 6:05 PM
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Lord Gonchar said:

Honestly, I don't see one as better than the other. They're both 'wrong' in different ways.

A different person might say they're both RIGHT in different ways... ;~)


You still have Zoidberg.... You ALL have Zoidberg! (V) (;,,;) (V)

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Sunday, January 13, 2013 6:31 PM
Jeff's avatar

Pessimistic bastard.


Jeff - Webmaster/Editor - CoasterBuzz.com - My Blog - Twitter - Video

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Sunday, January 13, 2013 9:58 PM
Lord Gonchar's avatar

Jeff said:

Then it's no longer science... that's the point. It's like people who think you have "faith" in evolution, which is science. It's two categories of things.

Then your first mistake is thinking it's all about the science...especially once you reach the presentation portion of the program.

How can it be a total ranking of opinion if some coasters aren't allowed to be included in the list? As a list of the most popular coasters it fails right there.

To me it makes more sense to extrapolate, interpret or 'fill in the blanks' to use all the available data rather than just present an incomplete list. I find it totally fascinating that you're so gung ho on the data that leaving coasters off the list entirely is a reasonable solution. In the process of trying to create an accurate list, you're creating an incomplete one. (which, to me, ends up being more inaccurate due to it's incompleteness)


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Monday, January 14, 2013 9:21 AM
Jeff's avatar

Lord Gonchar said:
How can it be a total ranking of opinion if some coasters aren't allowed to be included in the list?

Because that's what statistical significance is. That is science. You seem to get hung up on that every time this comes up.


Jeff - Webmaster/Editor - CoasterBuzz.com - My Blog - Twitter - Video

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Monday, January 14, 2013 10:41 AM
Fun's avatar

Nerds. ;-)

I'd like to see a poll that averages out the results from Mitch's and Jeff's different approaches.

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Monday, January 14, 2013 11:09 AM
Vater's avatar

The only way to settle this is to create a poll that ranks the accuracy of all coaster polls.

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Monday, January 14, 2013 11:11 AM
rollergator's avatar

If only there were a way to remove the subjectivity of people's opinions... ;~)

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Monday, January 14, 2013 11:33 AM

rollergator said:

If only there were a way to remove the subjectivity of people's opinions... ;~)

Doesn't applying numbers to them, averaging those numbers and ranking them remove the subjectivity? :)

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