Millennium Flyers

Thursday, February 27, 2003 3:44 PM
Hey... I'm looking for pictures of the Millennium Flyers. In particular pictures where you can see the wheels and the wheel assemblies, also the connections between the trains.

I remember a website posted on rrc a few years ago when they first came out had great pictures of all of this. Anyone have the address or still have the pics saved?

The patent number might also be helpful, but I'm mostly looking for the pictures. Thanks alot.

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Steve Guilmette
Mechanical Engineering
UNC Charlotte

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Thursday, February 27, 2003 4:34 PM
While on the subject of the Millennium Flyer trains...

Can anyone tell me what the significant difference is between Roar @ SFA and Roar @ SFMW? It seems that people prefer the SFMW version better. The difference being that SFMW's Roar has the Millennium Flyer trains.

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Thursday, February 27, 2003 5:21 PM
The differences aren't easily seen, but easily felt. Boodely designed it at the request of SFMW to make it more Wild than the SFA version, which Adventure World requested to be more of a "family" ride. I had the pleasure of riding SFA's version with Boodley, and he narrated what the differences were :)

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- "I used to be in the audio/visual club, but I was kicked out because of my views on Vietnam........and I was stealing projectors" - Homer Simpson

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Thursday, February 27, 2003 5:31 PM
I would love to hear all the differemces Peabody. Sometimes people ask me what the differences are and all I can think of is the obvious... M-Flyers and station. All I know is our first drop is WICKED.
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Thursday, February 27, 2003 5:37 PM
Honestly, I have only ridden the SFMW version once (ridden SFA's dozens of times). I was surprised at the differences, but couldn't exactly give you a blow-by-blow report of what they are, sorry! It's wilder, more "out of control", and there are small pops of air that don't exist on the SFA version. If I remember correctly, Boodley said the first thing he did was leave the height of the lift alone, but shaved off a few vertical feet of each other element, to have more air at the top of peaks, and keep up a little more speed on them too. You're right, the two big differences are the trains and station, but there are many subtle improvements on the design.

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- "I used to be in the audio/visual club, but I was kicked out because of my views on Vietnam........and I was stealing projectors" - Homer Simpson

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Thursday, February 27, 2003 5:48 PM
Sounds stupid, but I am happy we have a "better version" of an east coast ride, even though the Roar East looks great too. Sad to say ours is getting pretty dang rough (or was through July) until the retracked it. The places of high lats were neck breakers. I would say it is possibly the best ride of California... Norcali at least.
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Thursday, February 27, 2003 8:29 PM
I have never been on the Roars but I have been on WIldcat and Lightning Racers. While I know there is the obvious age difference between them, it appears that the Flyers make LR as smooth as steel something I was amazed to find but having said that call me a traditionalist but woodies are suposed to shake rattle and roll so I prefer the Wildcat (by the slimest of margins) to LR

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I don't care what anyone says, Magnum is better then Millenium Force.

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Friday, February 28, 2003 5:12 AM
From what I have noticed in the GCI(I) coasters is that they progressively got smoother. I've ridden all but the MW ROAR and you can definietly tell a progression with Wildcat being the roughest proceeding to ROAR-E, Gwazi-T, Gwazi-L and ending up with the Fearless Leader of smooth woodies Lightning Racer. I'm sure that the MFlyers considerably helped LR, but you can even see the drastic difference b/w Wildcat and Gwazi-L. I think they just learned how to be *better* at what they do.

Now, if only LR's MFlyers had lap bar with strong return springs....
lata, jeremy
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Friday, February 28, 2003 5:44 AM
http://hometown.aol.com/DANIMATION/gci_cars.html

If you go down theres a nice pic of the Wheel asemblies.

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Friday, February 28, 2003 5:55 AM
Hmm...I never knew there were more subtle differences to both Roars. I've never ridden SFMW's, but there's always been something missing about SFA's. It's a great coaster, don't get me wrong...but I've always felt, I dunno, like Shatner just before the toast pops up in Generations (if you know the movie, you'll get the reference). Perhaps I will discover that 'toast' if I ride Roar west someday.

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-Vater
'These pretzels are making me thirsty.'
Take a ride...

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Friday, February 28, 2003 7:56 AM
Actually, if the difference in hill height is several feet, I wouldn't call that a suble difference. That is a pretty large difference. It sounds like Roar West probably rides all the time like Roar East rides in the rain. Roar East in a downpour was one of the wildest rides I've ever had. My mind boggles at the thought of Roar West in the rain.
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Friday, February 28, 2003 10:40 AM
Roar West in the rain is heaven!!! I was so amazed. What I found was riding right after the rain is more fun because there is no pain and it is running like there is no tomorrow. Roar has been rough (really rough) but SFMW has been better about the re-tracking. It is the most under rated woodie IMO.
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Friday, February 28, 2003 10:55 AM
I'm looking forward to riding it! My first trip to SFMW (and my first coasting of the '03 season) will be April 4th.

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Friday, February 28, 2003 12:05 PM
Yeah , when I met with Jeff Pike, He said that there company has learened alot about from ther first project on wildcat, and they have gotten progressively better with each design. I can't wait to ride the ozark wildcat that looks awesome with the high banked turns.
Wood Fan
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Friday, February 28, 2003 4:30 PM
If SFA version of Roar had the millennium flyer trains I think it would be a even better ride, but to me Roar at SFA in its current state was almost a perfect ride, and I had a great time on it. I really liked the tunnle part of the ride, becuase it made the ride seem so much faster.
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Friday, February 28, 2003 4:51 PM
Is there any possibility that millenium flyer trains would even work on Roar east? the cars aren't as long so they probably wouldn't line up properly with the station gates for loading so they won't be added at all.

Besides Roar east has been running fine with the PTC's so far,after all if it isn't broken don't fix it.

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Friday, February 28, 2003 4:56 PM
Sure they would work, however, SFMWs could not run PTCs without track modifications, according to Boodley in a mag when Roar first opened. I guess they took advantage of the trains in their minor reworkings of the turns, etc. :)

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- "I used to be in the audio/visual club, but I was kicked out because of my views on Vietnam........and I was stealing projectors" - Homer Simpson

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Friday, February 28, 2003 7:28 PM
I think the hop in the tunnel and the turns going to the lift (Roar West) are the only points where the PTCs would really have a hard time. Also looking at the picture of the first drop on Roar East from the front seat, it looks like the West one is more tight and steep.
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