Maybe BuschGardens will do the samething as Kennyw

Sunday, March 11, 2001 3:28 PM
If they are not going to run Drachenfire the way it is they should change the layout like Kennywood did with the SteelPhantom.

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Sunday, March 11, 2001 3:51 PM
I was thinking the same thing. Why not. It's only the second half of the ride that's the problem. The first half is fantastic. That first hill is so unusual and scary, I'd hate to see it go.
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Sunday, March 11, 2001 3:55 PM
Would new trains be any help to the problem? I hate to see any coaster just sitting there.
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Sunday, March 11, 2001 3:56 PM
Agree. I hope they can advertise it more too as there were rumors or maybe facts that low ridership because of "being hidden" led to it's closure.
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Sunday, March 11, 2001 4:03 PM
If they do change it, I think it'll still be a looper. What does a park want with a sub-200-foot nonlooping steel coaster when they've got an awesome hypercoaster anyway?

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Sunday, March 11, 2001 4:30 PM
I still maintain that Steel Phantom's second drop into the ravine was worse then Drachen Fire. Sure, a 12-ride marathon on Drachen Fire with no wait gives you quite the pounding headache, but it's not that bad;)
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Sunday, March 11, 2001 7:51 PM
what part of drachen fire was the problem section?

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Sunday, March 11, 2001 7:53 PM
mAYBE WE WILL AL GET LUCKY AND INSTEAD OF MORGAN B&M THE ORIGINAL DESIGNERS WILL RE DO IT, OR EVEN BETTER INTAMIN AHHHHH CAN YOU IMAGINE THE COZYNESS OF THOS TRAINS OHHHHHH GRRRRR.

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Sunday, March 11, 2001 8:28 PM
Flds, please stop using the cap lock key. It is not acceptable to use all capital letters in your statement.

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Sunday, March 11, 2001 10:32 PM
What was the problem anyway? I've only had the pleasure of riding the fire once and I had to wait forever to get on it. Seems to me that you'll find headbanging on any roller coaster that has a corkscrew. If Busch Gardens was to reduce the speed on the second half would that help the problem? But I'm still unclear on what the problem was. Someone PLEASE fill me in! *** This post was edited by Goober on 3/12/2001. ***
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Monday, March 12, 2001 2:23 AM
The Dracher Fire is to rought for Buschgardens standards
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Monday, March 12, 2001 3:46 AM
If I was in Busch Gardens' current position, I would not re-open Drachen Fire. What good would another looper do when they already have Loch Ness Monster and Alpengeist? They should sell Drachen Fire and build a woodie, which would really be the last coaster that park needs. For a park that is continually rates the country's most beautiful, I can't imagine how a deteriorating steel coaster can help add to the beauty of the park. They need to take action with that coaster and either repair it, or better, get rid of it.

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Monday, March 12, 2001 4:22 AM
I rode it in 1994 I believe and there was only one spot that I thought was bad. It's similar to a B&M in that halfway through the ride you slow down on some flat track before the second half of the ride (for braking purposes). Anyway, after that point you spin into a corkscrew and if I remember correctly, when you come out of it, it shifts in the opposite direction too quick, meaning that gravity is pushing you one way, and then your head is slammed the other way. I remember complaining of neck pain when I got off and so did my friend. We were talking with two girls who had been on the same ride and they complained of the same thing. It was more pain than anything commonplace. It's just that one part, the rest of the ride was great!!!!!

I could be off a little on the exact point, and I don't remember any other part being rough.
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Monday, March 12, 2001 8:41 AM

themeparkne said:
"If I was in Busch Gardens' current position, I would not re-open Drachen Fire. What good would another looper do when they already have Loch Ness Monster and Alpengeist? They should sell Drachen Fire and build a woodie, which would really be the last coaster that park needs. For a park that is continually rates the country's most beautiful, I can't imagine how a deteriorating steel coaster can help add to the beauty of the park. They need to take action with that coaster and either repair it, or better, get rid of it."


I know this has been discussed to death. But I totally agree with comment. A woodie in this park would be awesome. Great terrain, beautiful secenery, . They would have the perfect coaster collection if they did add a wood coaster.

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Monday, March 12, 2001 9:08 AM
The more I see and the more I hear, the more convinced I become that in all our speculation about what is wrong with Drachen Fire we are all wrong. It's not a horribly violent ride, it's an interesting ride, and it's a good ride. But consider this: It sits on the highest piece of ground in the park, it sits right at the edge of the park, and it is the ride that BGW installed a prototype lift-hill silencer on a few years ago. Could it be that the real problem is that the park has lost a fight with its neighbors over that ride, combined with the poor attendance and mediocre reviews?

I don't know; I'm just guessing...

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Monday, March 12, 2001 10:32 AM
The lost battle with neighbors is the single best speculation I think I've ever heard about DF. Although, is it really on the highest ground there?
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Monday, March 12, 2001 10:54 AM
However bumpy it was/is (I have never rode it) can it be righ for a coaster to die!

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Monday, March 12, 2001 11:32 AM

I've never had the chance to ride that coaster, like many. (I'm doing the best at the age of 14!)

Its maybe just like Anaconda's Butterfly after the breaks...thats a jawbreaker...Hurts thinking about it. While, the Anaconda was nothing to do with the Drachen Fire...I thought I'd mention it...

I wish PKD would do something about the Butter Injury! Oh Well...

Well...I perosnally hope they restore it...or get an abandon Woodie and redo it like they did to the Pheonix...

~RCTfan
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Favorite Park: Paramount's Kings Dominion

Favorite Coaster: Volcano: The Blast Coaster
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Monday, March 12, 2001 11:39 AM
The dispute with the neighbors is an interesting theory. They should just offer them some money ($1 million). It would be worth it.

Perhaps they discovered some unrepairable structural problems with the coasters.

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All time Top 5: (1) Milleniun Force (2) Alpengeist (3) Hulk (4) Ice Dragon (5) Raptor
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Monday, March 12, 2001 11:41 AM
It didnt even look that bumpy to me when it was on Wild Rides. When they showed the people there heads werent really moving around that much.
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