Mantis at Cedar Point

Thursday, July 31, 2003 2:33 PM
BeccaRaptor said:
Does anyone else have a problem with it hurting your legs? I won't ride it because if gives me cramps in my lower legs. It feels like I have charley horses in both legs for the entire ride.

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The same exact thing happens to me, I always avoid riding it if I can because it always ruins the day with all the walking you have to do at Cedar Point. Ive never liked it because its always given me those 'charley horses' that you're describing. My legs just always cramp/tense up the whole time and they end up hurting for a little while after. I feel bad for Mantis itself because its such a great layout for a stand-up...but since its a stand up...it hurts! I also have sympathy for the people that have to stand in line for an hour just to ride something that will hurt their legs...which they have been standing on for an hour....oh well.
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Thursday, July 31, 2003 3:36 PM
Is it just me that thinks that CP insults all of us by making us walk around and stand in line on all that hard a$$ concrete only to make you stand for the ride itself.

Mantis....how much can you stand?....I'm ready to sit!!!!

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Thursday, July 31, 2003 3:44 PM
Mike,

I know it has been several years since I have ridden it, but I thought Raging Bull at SFGA didn't have OTSR. That was what I was thinking when I made my post.

I obviously forgot that Mantis went upside down. Geez, I am only 35 and I am losing my mind!!!!!

Thanks for the correction,

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Thursday, July 31, 2003 3:46 PM

BeccaRaptor said:
Does anyone else have a problem with it hurting your legs? I won't ride it because if gives me cramps in my lower legs. It feels like I have charley horses in both legs for the entire ride. The head banging is nothing compared to what I experience with my legs.

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I had that same problem it hurt alot thats basically why I only rode it 2 times while I was there. I think its just casue its very force ful. My legs felt like they were being pulled apart it was werid and hard to describe. I could hardly walk after the ride very odd.

I didnt have that much of a problem with head banging as much as i had with those leg pains. I guess i am just used to Iron Wolf so much. I know how to ride coasters so its not as bumpy.So far I cant really say I loved my experinces on either of the Stand Up coasters that I have been on. Ill do them again. But theres something about them that makes you say yeaaaa and ouch at the same time. I like how both are very jerky unlike other B&Ms which flow thorugh the elements very smoothly.Its like a whole other side to B&M when you ride one of there stand ups.

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Thursday, July 31, 2003 3:50 PM
The best trains ever created with OSTR's are rolling around the Ozarks on Wildfire.

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Thursday, July 31, 2003 3:55 PM

needless quotation removed... will anyone get how ridiculous is to quote the previous post? as if we don't know what you're talking about? -J

Amen. I thoughly hate the entire stand up design, it takes a great coaster layout and turns it into an ok coaster. Absoultly agree that the stand up hurts your feet, thats what happens when you put 3-4 times your body weight (thanks to the gs) on them. Of course there is one way to avoid hurting your feet but that involves hurting an even more sensitive area. Every stand-up needs a floorless redo!

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Thursday, July 31, 2003 4:13 PM
I am 6'4, so I have never had the headbanging problem. I don't think it is rough, that is just the nature of a stand-up, but it does kill my legs, and I hate the restraints. I also agree it has one of the better endings on a Beemer.

I would agree with turning it into a Floorless touchdown, but we have one an 1 1/2 away.

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Thursday, July 31, 2003 4:57 PM
Out of curiousity, is a floorless redo actually feasable? Not in terms of economics, (as I can't see it paying for itself) but in terms of rider comfort and safety. I'd imagine the heartline on floorlesses and standups is quite different.

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Thursday, July 31, 2003 5:35 PM

SVLFever said:


I know it has been several years since I have ridden it, but I thought Raging Bull at SFGA didn't have OTSR. That was what I was thinking when I made my post.


Raging Bull doesn't have OTSR mainly because it doesn't have any inversions. It's a Hyper- Twister.

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Thursday, July 31, 2003 6:09 PM

MAnderson said:
Out of curiousity, is a floorless redo actually feasable? Not in terms of economics, (as I can't see it paying for itself) but in terms of rider comfort and safety. I'd imagine the heartline on floorlesses and standups is quite different.

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You're exactly correct. I'm pretty sure this has been discussed before and that is always the main issue. Who knows though, I'm not a ride designer...maybe it IS possible?

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Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:23 PM
I think Mantis is perfect, aside from the trims. It's intense, the second half is crazy, and it's smooth, IMO.

-Nate (who has never had a problem with *any* B&M stand-up)

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Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:27 PM
Can we beat the dead "New Trains on Mantis" horse any more? Apparently so.

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Thursday, July 31, 2003 8:03 PM
I can't possibly be riding the same Iron Wolf some of you describe. I think that we have some stubborn riders here, if you can't just anticipate the next turn, then you shouldn't be riding at all. I mean, you don't have to put all of your attention to bracing yourself, if you just lean in the direction you are about to turn, it's one of the greatest rides @ SFGAm, better than Raging Bull IMO.

The only problem I have with the B&M stand up trains are the seats. I mean, could they have made them wider? That is why I found the Togo trains to be much more comfortable with a typical, slim "nosed" (if you will) bicycle seat that doesn't spread all the muscles in your groin apart.

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Thursday, July 31, 2003 9:01 PM
Stand-ups don't age well? Tell that to The Riddler's Revenge (if it can hear) ;)
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Thursday, July 31, 2003 9:10 PM
I think RR and Georgia Scorcher are the only exceptions to the rule.

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Thursday, July 31, 2003 9:27 PM
They should add Tempurpedic foam to the headrests!! (the same stuff NASA uses for high-g testing). Mantis was the next to last ride we rode on our recent first visit to CP. Getting your ears boxed will certainly make you remember your visit!

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Thursday, July 31, 2003 9:48 PM
Iron Wolf is fantastic. I have *never* had to brace for anything on that ride, and there are only *two* spots where I hit my head (and that was only slightly). I just don't understand complaints about that ride. At all. Perhaps people have just gotten too used to the forceless, floaty, fluffy B&M rides we've been seeing since 1999.

-Nate

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Thursday, July 31, 2003 10:11 PM
Brent, RR and GS are the exceptions for NOW.....enjoy them while you can, cause I give RR three years, five years at best before it gets loaded trims and *bounces* anyway...

I'm hopeful Scorcher can hold out a little longer due to its simplified layout, but we'll see....it would have been a GREAT stnd-up to clone, still not as good as KC though...;)
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Thursday, July 31, 2003 10:34 PM
I love this coasters layout, but I'm not a big fan of standups, its also a coaster where you have to get the front mainly for the view. Its also the type of coaster where you have to know the layout and position yourself right, if you just stand there its gonna hurt. But due to the fact this is the one coaster at CP where the line seems to not move, so I tend to skip this one.
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Thursday, July 31, 2003 11:40 PM
As I have yet to take a lap on GS, I don't believe the "stand ups don't age well theory". After riding RR and being simply amazed, I kinda think it has a lot to do w/ the layout. With Mantis & Iron Wolf, they try to pack the 2nd half of the ride into a rather small space. With RR, it has a very large footprint compared to Mantis & IR and doesn't have the 2nd-half squish & hence, no headbanging.

I also wonder what would happen if they made the the shoulder part of the OTSH thin & small rather than bulky and big. If there is nothing for your head to bang into, there is no head banging!

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