Magnum or Steel Force?

Sunday, January 21, 2001 6:18 AM
I was just wondering which is the better hyper.I have been on Magnum many times, but never been on Steel Force.It looks pretty cool,What do you think?
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Sunday, January 21, 2001 6:40 AM
I haven't ridden Steel Force yet, but Magnum seems to be gettting pretty rough.

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...But that's just my opinion. Unless it's also someone else's.
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Sunday, January 21, 2001 7:02 AM
Steel Force is just a clone of Magnum with a different turnaround like all Morgan Hypers and Giga

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Sunday, January 21, 2001 7:12 AM
I haven't been on Magnum, but I'll have to say Steel Force.(Steel Force is my favorite coaster!)
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Sunday, January 21, 2001 7:44 AM
Wow, three replies so far and not one person has been on both coasters, interesting...As someone who has actually ridden both, I'm of the opinion that Magnum is a bit better than Steel Force. The setting is far superior, it has a much better first half. Steel Force's trains are way better than Magnum's, and the bunny hops on Steel Force are better as well. Both great rides.

BTW, the thought of Steel Force being a clone of Magnum is laughable. Ha!

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Sunday, January 21, 2001 7:54 AM
I'll say. Magnum is an Arrow, and Steel Force is a Morgan.
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Sunday, January 21, 2001 8:08 AM
I was on both last season. Magnum was good but the camelhumps don't compare with Steel Forces. Maggies when you go over them hit with an thud whereas Steel Forces just glides over them giving that floating feel from the top of the hill to the bottom without the thud.
I do however like Magnums turnaround more than the double helix of Steel Force.
As for Steel Force being a clone of Maggie except for the turnaround I just don't see it. Steel Force is built straight out to the turnaround and back. Maggie has more of an L shape. They are both in the 200 ft range and have camelhumps, and big hills thats about all they have in common.
Out of the two I think Steel Force wins.
Arrow may have invented the Hyper but Morgan and B&M perfected it.
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Sunday, January 21, 2001 8:25 AM
When I rode Magnum last summer, I thought it was less than stellar. It's my personal opinion, but I just don't see why it's so acclaimed. I think it's got a great deal to do with sentimental feelings. Magnum seemed, for a ride with no OTSR's or inversions, extremely rough. Apparently, its trains had problems last season.

This summer, I'll ride Steel Force. Since I wasn't really impressed with Magnum, I don't know how I'll like Steel Force. I am, however, really looking forward to it!

And coasterpunk, judging from personal experience on Millennium Force and reviews of the Supermen, I'd add Intamin to that list.

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Matt Lynch
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Sunday, January 21, 2001 8:48 AM

Lynch said:
And coasterpunk, judging from personal experience on Millennium Force and reviews of the Supermen, I'd add Intamin to that list.


OOPS! I don't see how Intamin slipped my mind.
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Sunday, January 21, 2001 8:52 AM
Any hyper coaster built after the Magnum is just an imitator. Sure the design is different, but the idea is to get the same effect as the Magnum, air. The thought of having a tall coaster without any inversions before this was not even consider'd.

Although I am a coaster dummy compared to most people here, I believe the tallest steel coaster without inversions was the Lisebergbanan, in Liseberg Germany which reached a height of only 150.' I also believe the tallest coaster without inversions in the US until Maggie was built was that coaster sitting right next to it, the Gemini. The idea was revolutionary and any hyper built after that you can consider that it is a "copy" of the magnum. That's not to say any coaster over 200 feet is a copy of the magnum. The steel Phantom and other's like it were hyper looper's and Millennium Force is a Giga and does not even compare with the Magnum.

Without Magnum the world would be hyperless. :(

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Joe
Beyond Post, Giga Post *** This post was edited by Joe E. on 1/21/2001. ***
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Sunday, January 21, 2001 9:05 AM
Joe E. says

Any hyper coaster built after the Magnum is just an imitator.


Well if thats the case then all inverteds are imitators of Batman:TR. You might as well stick MF on that list of imitators because it is over 200ft as well.
Comments like this are so ridiculous I wonder why people sit here and post them.

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Sunday, January 21, 2001 10:31 AM
imitate v.

1. To follow as a pattern, model, or example
2. To produce a semblance or likeness of, in form or character.

Yes, all other B&M inverts to follow in model, resemble, AND are an example of Batman the Ride. They are not a "copy" of B;TR. Unless they changed the train and track design track, they did not change the model. B;TR is a B&M invert right? So what is raptor? It's an B&M invert that followed in example and resembles B:TR, so it does imitate, but dose not copy.

At the bottom of my message, if you care to read the whole thing (NO i did not place this in the edit) I even said that coaster's like Millennium Force and Steel Phantom do not copy or imitate Magnum. Millennium Force was designed for speed and is an entire different type of coaster from that of magnum. Steel Phantom has an entirely different train design and was not made for air, it was made for speed and sweet inversions.

You might have me by the fact that since B&M, and Intamin do have different models for their Hypers so they might not imitate the Magnum. Morgan uses a very similar design for their hypers and may be considered the same "model"

Yes, all new hypers are built different than the Magnum, BUT, all hypers do follow the magnum in example, so therefore do imitate in some way.

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Joe
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Sunday, January 21, 2001 10:32 AM
I have to agree with Chitown. Hell, by Joe's logic, we can say that ever coaster is a copy of the one before it!

In a book I once read (actually, I'll admit, it was more like "leaf through to the parts I want to read"), the author said, "While Christopher Columbus is indeed significant in the course of history, one could argue that he's only noted because he did it first." This theory, while I don't really subscribe to it, could be applied to Magnum. You say "If it weren't for Magnum, the world would be hyperless." I disagree, as sooner or later, odds are that somebody else would have done it.

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Matt Lynch, who gets the feeling this post might cause an argument...
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Sunday, January 21, 2001 11:08 AM
I've ridden Magnum more times than I can keep track of but have never ridden Steel Force. I have a question about Steel Force. Does it have a hill like Magnum's third hill where you are floating for about 5 seconds?

I actually think I would like Magnum's return bunny hops better, because I am a HUGE fan of violent, "bruise your legs" airtime.

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Sunday, January 21, 2001 2:00 PM
yes, Steel Force does have a floating 3rd hill. Ive been on Steel Force 50-60times and Magnum 6 times. Steel Force has much more air time, is much smoother, and never has a line longer than 10minutes. Magnum's line was 20-30 minutes. I like Steel Force much better.

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'Nuff Said
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Sunday, January 21, 2001 2:41 PM
Copy and imitate are two different words the last time I checked. I am sorry if some people were confused by these two words.

Imitate means many things like similarity, resemblance, likeness, similitude, semblance; affinity, approximation, and parallelism.

Actually a definition for copy is imitation. Imitation is a different word and has totally different meanings like copying; transcription, repetition, duplication, reduplication, and reproduction. Curse the English Language. We should al write in Spanish or German to avoid this confusion. NOT.

Now if someone can tell be that Steel Force is not a similar ride, and bears no resemblance to that of Magnum, then it does not "imitate" and I am wrong. Steel Force is NOT a copy or an imitation of Magnum.

Now yes, eventually someone would have invented the hypercoaster so to speak. Remember that up to Magnum's inception, the last tallest steel coaster to be built in the US without inversion's was the Gemini (still am not sure though). So that means there was a 11 year drought. The 11 years After Magnum was built, ton's of tall coaster's without inversion's were built. The Magnum ushered in the era of the Hypercoaster.



*** This post was edited by Joe E. on 1/21/2001. *** *** This post was edited by Joe E. on 1/21/2001. ***
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Sunday, January 21, 2001 3:18 PM
Steel Force, smoother, faster, better.

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I'm 2 for 2 so far!!!
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Sunday, January 21, 2001 3:25 PM
Actually... isn't Beast taller than Gemini?

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Matt Lynch
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Sunday, January 21, 2001 3:40 PM
Steel Appeal. In my sentence that sounded funny I said

the last tallest steel coaster to be built in the US without inversion's was the Gemini (still am not sure though).

Yes, The beast is 135 feet, and I think was the coaster to break the Gemini Record. Not sure though.

Well, the point that I have been trying to make all along is that after the Gemini, almost every tall steel coaster built after that, with exceptions of the one I mentioned in Germany, had to have inversions. The theory was that you had to use loops to make it work. Magnum disproved that theory.
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Sunday, January 21, 2001 3:54 PM
How did Magnum Disprove it? Look at Japan, they have tons of steel coasters without loops, and have ahd them for years before Magnum. Hell they had the first "hyper" (coaster term coined AFTER it was built), called Bandit. Magnum did nothing but coin the term "hyper coaster."
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