OK; now that all of you well-informed/well-connected individuals have helped me understand what "side friction" coasters are, what "log flumes" are, and even how the Arrow "4D" works, maybe you can clear up this void in my coster knowledge: How does S.O.B. loop? I mean, it looks
like it has a wooden track till you get to the loop; then it looks like it has a steel track!! WASSUPPP!!!
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ATTENTION!!...This is the Alter Ego of Goliath Rocks; If he said something stupid, we're sorry, it's the "G"s talking...
Goliath rocks, SOB's loop is a steel loop, but the rails of the loop are made of wood. I think the steel part of the loop is acting kind of like a brace for the wood so that the wood will not crack or splinter from the g-forces of the train going through the loop. I hope that helps answering your question, Goliath rocks.
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Bill Yost a.k.a. THE BEASTtmaster
www.geocities.com/byostie Can you take me higher? (CREED)
It does, a little. Now I know why it appears to have steel track on the loop; I've never actually been there, so I'm only going on the pictures I've seen of it...
Now I wonder, however, does it have under-friction wheels or anything to keep it on the track if it stalls at the top of the loop?
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ATTENTION!!...This is the Alter Ego of Goliath Rocks; If he said something stupid, we're sorry, it's the "G"s talking...
The loop on SOB looks wooden enough for me.
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"You think ya got enough o' dem parks 'n coasters 'ere in Ohier?"
The SOB's trains do have up-stop wheels just like any other wooden coaster. The up-stop wheels prevent the train from jumping the track, but for the loop on SOB the train goes through a brake block that has a set of tire boosters that rocket the train through the loop at 62 mph. Therefore the train is to be at that speed in order to go through the loop. When I rode SOB, I could actually feel the tire boosters give that little push.
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Bill Yost a.k.a. THE BEASTtmaster
www.geocities.com/byostie Can you take me higher? (CREED)
Coasterville,Ohio said:
"The loop on SOB looks wooden enough for me.""
That's only the loop's rails not the whole loop. like I said the loop acts like a brace for the wooden track.
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Bill Yost a.k.a. THE BEASTtmaster
www.geocities.com/byostie Can you take me higher? (CREED)
THE BEASTmaster said:
...The SOB's trains do have up-stop wheels just like any other wooden coaster. The up-stop wheels prevent the train from jumping the track...
I never knew wooden coasters had "up stop" wheels; unless I'm misunderstanding your terminology. I thought they only had the weight bearing wheels that run on the top of the track, and the side-friction (right term?) wheels on the inside of the track that keep the coaster on course.
Anyway, thank you for even trying to help a dunce like me understand these things!
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ATTENTION!!...This is the Alter Ego of Goliath Rocks; If he said something stupid, we're sorry, it's the "G"s talking...
*** This post was edited by Goliath rocks on 2/4/2001. ***
Yo RideMan, this is right down your alley...
I'm pretty sure all modern coasters have three sets of wheels. One set on top the rails, one set below, and one set either on the inside or outside of the rail, depending on the type of track.
Why do I even try, though? I'll just wait for Dave. ;)
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Matt Lynch
Co-Webmaster, Kennywood Boulevard
http://kennywood.coasterbuzz.com
Yeah, Matt, here I am...you guys are too quick for me! :)
My patent collection is woefully inadequate, but John Miller's 1922 patent (#1,409,750) shows a coaster train with flanged wheels organized in a channel-style track so as to make derailments impossible. A Herb Schmeck patent from 1931 (#1,814,969) clearly shows a rigid up-stop rail beneath an inboard flange on the track rail. John Miller's 1931 patent #1,825,468 shows an up-stop riding below an angle-iron bolted to the inboard edge of the track. Certain Miller coasters, notably two of the three Kennywoodies (Thunderbolt and Racer) use this configuration, except that instead of using up-stops, those trains put the guide wheel below the angle-iron so that the guide wheels themselves serve as up-stops. Oh...that configuration is shown in Miller's patent #1,827,162 (1931). Finally, Schmeck's 1931 patent #1,839,054 not only shows the now-common three-wheel truck design, it also shows the articulated rear axle as used on most modern PTC trains. So I guess I was wrong about the industry being married to a
John Allen train design...it's a Herb Schmeck design. On Page 206 of The Incredible Scream Machine, Dr. Cartmell shows a drawing based on a 1916 John Miller drawing, but does not indicate a patent number. The point is, the idea of using up-stop wheels goes back to at least 1916, and the only wood coasters I know of that do not have some form of up-stop are the Clementon Jack Rabbit (which may now have up-stops since the accident) and Lakemont Park's Leap The Dips.
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Here's my version of the loop theory. The loop structure is built similar to a loop as on any looping B&M with the square channel and spines being steel. Then the spines (where the tube rail would be) are built just like wooden track on any other part of the ride.
My wheel theory: Most coasters have 3 sets of wheels. The main running wheels (top) side friction wheels (inside or outside of track) and upstop wheels (underneath).
Some coasters only have two sets of wheels. Side friction coasters have the main running wheels and side friction wheels but no up stops. So yes It would be possible for them to derail easy but the lay out is designed not to let this happen.
Beastie at (PKI), Ghoster Coaster (PCW), Scooby Doo at (PKD), and Sea Dragon at (Wyandot Lake)have a combination of two wheels. The main running wheels are also the side friction wheels. They are similar to train wheels so they guide the cars around the track as well as bear the weight of the cars. They also have the upstops as well.
The Arrow mine trains instead of having upstop wheels they have little square pads instead.
When I'm standing in line I always look at the track , wheels and other stuff on the rides. It's cool just seeing all the simple variations from ride to ride even on the same type of ride from park to park.
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Not Too Shabby For A Summer
You beat me to it Ride Man. You must be a faster typer than me. ;)
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2000 stats: 135 coasters in 26 parks
Not Too Shabby For A Summer
Can you imagine woodies without upstops, airtime would not be possible.
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Get wrapped in the coils of Viper at SFGAm.
geicu said:
"Can you imagine woodies without upstops, airtime would not be possible.
Or coasters like Phoenix, Jackrabbit, heck even Skyliner would kill people :)
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--Greg
http://www.pobox.com/~gregleg/
Oh, yeah? Go to Lakemont and take a ride on Leap the Dips. You may be shocked!
--Dave Althoff, Jr.
...I guess it would depend on your definition of 'airtime'. :)
No upstops? Now THERE'S a Thrust Air for ya!
RideMan said:
"Oh, yeah? Go to Lakemont and take a ride on Leap the Dips. You may be shocked!
I know I was, first time I got on LtD :) What a great little ride...
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--Greg
http://www.pobox.com/~gregleg/
Does anyone else think the loop on SoB is really stupid. I don't think woodies should have loops, I guess it's just another of a corporate theme park's desperate attempts to come up with a gimmick. I haven't been on the coaster, but can't see how it would add considerably to the ride.
It's not stupid. It's a great loop, and is pretty damn fun. I don't see any reason why loops can't be on woodies. Back when woodies were still pretty new they introduced the loop, so Paramount just decided to go with one of the original wooden coaster designs. Ride it, then you'll see...
