Long Beach ponders resurrection of the defunct Cyclone Racer roller coaster

CreditWh0re said:

Few people remember what good rides Ghostrider and Colossus were. Sadly, most people on the West coast remember how bad Psychlone was, and how bad Ghostrider/Colossus are or have been recently.

That statement is so true! GhostRider and Colossus were outstanding wooden coasters back in the day. Colossus was great with the PTC trains, but still good through about 1990.

The California Coastal Commission is the biggest obstacle to seaside anything in California. It's an organization that is run by individuals who have an agenda that suits a very small minority of the population and their interests.

Only enthusiasts would make distinction between "good wood" and "bad wood". Most average parkgoers make no distinction between "good wood", "bad wood", steel, or otherwise. Many ride coasters once or twice and either like or dislike them.

Does the California Coastal Commission's agenda suit a very small minority of the population, or does it not suit coaster enthusiast's very small minority of the population?

It's nonsense to say that only enthusiasts can make a determination on what is and isn't a good ride. The general public does it every day at amusement parks around the world.

If you knew anything about the California Coastal Commission then you'd understand my point, but you don't care so there is no point in explaining.

I'm saying that the general public doesn't make the fine distinctions that enthusiasts do.

"...you don't care so there is no point in explaining." How do you know I don't care? Why are you so defensive?

Haven't you learned? It's nonsense because Eric has deemed it as such.

I'm just a cockeyed optimist, immature and incurably green.

slithernoggin said:

Only enthusiasts would make distinction between "good wood" and "bad wood".

No, any rider can make the distinction of "holy crap this ride sucks and it hurts, and what do you mean it's only the first drop, dear lord let me off this thing, oh hell that hurt again, dang, ouch, whew mid course brake, dang, ouch, oh, this is horrible, dear god let this end, brake run"

And that's what wood in SoCal has been like for most of the last 25-30 years, with a few fleeting and temporary exceptions.

slithernoggin said:

I'm saying that the general public doesn't make the fine distinctions that enthusiasts do.

"...you don't care so there is no point in explaining." How do you know I don't care? Why are you so defensive?

because you're acting like a jerk. Also, this wasn't a discussion of splitting fine distinctions. It was a statement of crappy wood coasters not creating a love for that style of coaster that exists in other parts of the country because there is a wealth of good, fun, enjoyable, thrilling, re-rideable rides.

Well, then, sir, you have quite put me in place.

Note to self: do not ask questions of those who are afraid of questions.

Jerk.

I am what I am.

egieszl said:

The California Coastal Commission is the biggest obstacle to seaside anything in California. It's an organization that is run by individuals who have an agenda that suits a very small minority of the population and their interests.

Absolutely. They are the reason for the muted skyline at Sea World San Diego. Funny think is, there are a bunch of man-made islands just offshore from the proposed site. The closest one was actually themed by imagineers to disguise their true purpose: oil rig platforms.

But I'm not sure if the CCC was around when they built them in the 60's (then again, they built them to eliminate the gazillions of oil derricks that crowded the waterfront before then).