Line Jumper prevention using "tickets" (sfdl in pa
I remember at SFDL in 1999, during a couple months they would give you tickets (like out of a litle red "deli" ticket thing) at the begining entrance for Superman: ROS, and at the entrance to the station house, the tickets had to be in the same number going through, this prevented any line jumpers and was a VERY good idea... do any parks do this on a normal basis? I think its a very good thing to do, and I realize SFDL only did this on a couple days, but it did stop a lot of line jumping problems (since it IS so easy to cut in line for S:ros)...
...do any other parks do this? should they do this? whats your opinion...
Alan Jacyszyn
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...do any other parks do this? should they do this? whats your opinion...
Alan Jacyszyn
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I think that if they warn that you'll be thrown out of the park if caught, most people will obey the rule pretty well (CP)
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SFGAm does this on very busy days.
I recall getting tickets for
Batman
Raging Bull
Iron Wolf
American Eagle
But nothing else.
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May 5th, Gurnee, Illinois, "I'm sprinting for V2"
I recall getting tickets for
Batman
Raging Bull
Iron Wolf
American Eagle
But nothing else.
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May 5th, Gurnee, Illinois, "I'm sprinting for V2"
Interestingly enough, some parks offer Fast Pass. :)
Therefore, you can legally jump in line for $$$. But I think I'll save my bucks and go to a deserted day.
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Therefore, you can legally jump in line for $$$. But I think I'll save my bucks and go to a deserted day.
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The Jet Coaster ROARS!
On Batman at night, at FrightFest this year at SFGAm, they gave us a ticket that we had to keep in order. It is a good plan. I'll never forget waiting in that line. We were being kind of annoying and the people around us were sorta yelling/kidding with us. By the end of the 2 hour wait, the 2 people in front of us were just about making out and then we started yelling/kidding with them. It was funny.
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May 5th, Gurnee, Illinois...Oh wait! I'll be in Florida. In that case, May 5th, Tampa Bay Florida, "I'm sprinting for Gwazi!"
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May 5th, Gurnee, Illinois...Oh wait! I'll be in Florida. In that case, May 5th, Tampa Bay Florida, "I'm sprinting for Gwazi!"
The Jet Coaster said:
"Interestingly enough, some parks offer Fast Pass. :)
Therefore, you can legally jump in line for $$$. But I think I'll save my bucks and go to a deserted day.
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As I recall the only park that makes you pay for a fast pass system is Universal. I may be mistaken though. Don't be afraid to correct me.
They experimented with this on Raptor and Magnum once at Cedar Point, '99 I think. On a slower day, it's pretty pointless (that's when they tried it) and it tends to slow things down when you have good crews that move trains out quickly.
At Cedar Point, that was a solution looking for a problem, but I've been to other parks where they should have used it from time to time (most of the Six Flags parks, in fact).
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Jeff
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At Cedar Point, that was a solution looking for a problem, but I've been to other parks where they should have used it from time to time (most of the Six Flags parks, in fact).
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Jeff
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One problem with these sorts of systems is the amount of trash that is generated by the tickets, and who cleans it up? There's enough in the queues anyway, and that was part of the consideration for Cedar Point to not use it longer. I wonder how picky ride ops get too, what if you're only one or two out of order, like you were in a group of friends? It might work better or more smoothly if they used blank tickets that were different colors and just switched colors every 10 minutes or so - if you're in the right color group, you're fine, rather than the exact order.
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I think it's a great idea. They used it a bit on Raging Bull last summer and they actually ejected from the line people who didn't have the right numbers or didn't have tickets. I think it's great and I'd love to see it elsewhere at major rides.
CrystalKat said:
...It might work better or more smoothly if they used blank tickets that were different colors and just switched colors every 10 minutes or so - if you're in the right color group, you're fine, rather than the exact order.
Hey! I liked the original idea but thought it could use some improvement. Now THAT's a GOOD idea! (: I like it!
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CrystalKat said:
"...It might work better or more smoothly if they used blank tickets that were different colors and just switched colors every 10 minutes or so - if you're in the right color group, you're fine, rather than the exact order.
(Devil's advocate mode on)
But could you imagine all the different colors they would have to have? figure using six colors an hour multiplied by the number of hours they are open.
As another side issue against colored tickets, they could then have suits against them by possible employees that can't work specific jobs due to colorblindness? (Americans with Disabilities act Yes...Colorblindness is a disability)
(Devil's Advocate mode off)
I think the numbered tickets are the best alternative until some other method (i.e. scan-able tickets that can be tracked via computer) can be made available.
SFGAm hand the tickets out at the start of the line and they have another person that is close to the station collecting tickets, not in the station. If the number is more than 10 off we ask the guest to step aside and we take the next ticket to confirm that their number was more than 10 off. We always take the tickets where we have a phone next to us and then we have to call security and they will come and escort the guest out of the park. You will see this system used just about every operating day for V2 and Deja Vu.
That is how SFGAm does it.
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American Eagle 2001!!!
That is how SFGAm does it.
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American Eagle 2001!!!
CrystalKat said:
"One problem with these sorts of systems is the amount of trash that is generated by the tickets, and who cleans it up?
Whomever is working on the platform of the ride.
There's enough in the queues anyway, and that was part of the consideration for Cedar Point to not use it longer.
I wouldnt imagine that these tickets would cause any more trash in the queues. I mean, you had to present the ticket to an op on or near the platform. If you didnt have the ticket, you were booted from line, so people didnt litter with them. Also, the op collecting the ticket simply dropped them into a recepticle. Even thousands of these tickets would amount to much extra trash clean up...maybe a hefty bag or two, but the disposal was controled.
I wonder how picky ride ops get too, what if you're only one or two out of order, like you were in a group of friends?
First time I saw this used was on B:TR @ SFGAm in 1993 (3.5 hr wait on a Saturday in June!). The ops didnt get anal and force you in the exact order, but if you were dozens off (and could NOT explain it as a group thing) then there would be trouble. Though really, I think that they were more concerned that you HAD a ticket at all, as that meant that you at least entered the queue at the correct point, and didnt just "hop a fence".
lata,
jeremy
"One problem with these sorts of systems is the amount of trash that is generated by the tickets, and who cleans it up?
Whomever is working on the platform of the ride.
There's enough in the queues anyway, and that was part of the consideration for Cedar Point to not use it longer.
I wouldnt imagine that these tickets would cause any more trash in the queues. I mean, you had to present the ticket to an op on or near the platform. If you didnt have the ticket, you were booted from line, so people didnt litter with them. Also, the op collecting the ticket simply dropped them into a recepticle. Even thousands of these tickets would amount to much extra trash clean up...maybe a hefty bag or two, but the disposal was controled.
I wonder how picky ride ops get too, what if you're only one or two out of order, like you were in a group of friends?
First time I saw this used was on B:TR @ SFGAm in 1993 (3.5 hr wait on a Saturday in June!). The ops didnt get anal and force you in the exact order, but if you were dozens off (and could NOT explain it as a group thing) then there would be trouble. Though really, I think that they were more concerned that you HAD a ticket at all, as that meant that you at least entered the queue at the correct point, and didnt just "hop a fence".
lata,
jeremy
redman822 said:
But could you imagine all the different colors they would have to have? figure using six colors an hour multiplied by the number of hours they are open.
I don't think you need a unique color for every single 10 minute block during opening hours...
As another side issue against colored tickets, they could then have suits against them by possible employees that can't work specific jobs due to colorblindness? (Americans with Disabilities act Yes...Colorblindness is a disability)
Easy....colors with icons. Happy faces, Cartoon characters (perhaps those licensed by the park).
Numbers generates too much waste. And scanable tickets sounds too complicated and expensive.
Little color-coded iconographic pieces of plastic would work great. The collector at the front could collect and sort them etc. I think this would be a great idea for very long lines.
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With the ride op collecting them on the platform, standing next to a garbage can, what is there to clean up?
CrystalKat said:
"One problem with these sorts of systems is the amount of trash that is generated by the tickets, and who cleans it up?"
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Jeff
Webmaster/Admin - CoasterBuzz.com
I think you could save a couple trees by using plastic.
I guess the advantage of using little paper tickets is that you wouldn't need to have an actual person go out to the front of the line every 10 minutes and change the plastic doohickeys. Aaand...they wouldn't have to get a bunch of custom doohickeys made and wouldn't have to maintain them...
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I guess the advantage of using little paper tickets is that you wouldn't need to have an actual person go out to the front of the line every 10 minutes and change the plastic doohickeys. Aaand...they wouldn't have to get a bunch of custom doohickeys made and wouldn't have to maintain them...
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I recall SFMM started using these tickets called Six Flags Boarding Passes back in the early 90's. The first ride I remember getting one for was Flashback when it first opened at SFMM. That was during the Mystic Lake years before Hurricane Harbor and when the ride used the old queue house that was later turned into lockers, now a backstage storage area. Most of the big rides give them out nowadays when the lines get over 2.5 hours. Ive only gotten them for Flashback 1993, Batman 1995, Revolution 1995, and Riddler 1998. One thing I need to mention is that when they do this everyone in your party must be present to get passes so if you only have two people you will only get two and not an extra six for all those people in line for soda. Security guards collect these almost at the station. On Batman they have a little window in the tunnel that they are collected from. At Riddler it's right where the line splits when going into the station at the bottom of the stairs.
Okay, okay! :) You guys are right, with the op collecting them on the platform there isn't so much trash, but as a sweep I did have to get more than a few - I'm not sure how they got on the midway, maybe people wanting them as souvenirs so they get in line, get one, and then hop out without riding/giving it back. This would be a problem with the pieces of plastic too, because eventually you'd have lost quite a few.
As to how would they get back to the entrance: ride operators rotate throughout the day, and the person that is going from the platform down to do their stint at the entrance would just take a new supply down with them. You'd only have to have enough to last 15-35 minutes, depending on the ride. Granted, that would still be a LOT, depending on the line, but it would be possible to give one to couples riding together or whatever, maybe one of a different color or having some indication that it is meant for two people - that way, fewer chips (I'm picturing poker chips) but still no line-jumping: if you're not holding the chip that indicates 2 riders, you don't ride together like that.
Like any of this will actually be implemented, but it's interesting to think about. :)
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As to how would they get back to the entrance: ride operators rotate throughout the day, and the person that is going from the platform down to do their stint at the entrance would just take a new supply down with them. You'd only have to have enough to last 15-35 minutes, depending on the ride. Granted, that would still be a LOT, depending on the line, but it would be possible to give one to couples riding together or whatever, maybe one of a different color or having some indication that it is meant for two people - that way, fewer chips (I'm picturing poker chips) but still no line-jumping: if you're not holding the chip that indicates 2 riders, you don't ride together like that.
Like any of this will actually be implemented, but it's interesting to think about. :)
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Jeff said:
"They experimented with this on Raptor and Magnum once at Cedar Point, '99 I think. On a slower day, it's pretty pointless (that's when they tried it) and it tends to slow things down when you have good crews that move trains out quickly.
I remember that!! In '99 me and a friend went to CP, and in the line for Magnum and Raptor, we got the tickets. The weird thing was (and is) is I still have the ticket from the Raptor line. :p
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