Line Cut or Fast Pass?

Friday, June 29, 2001 6:13 AM
Ok Fast pass in my opinion was a great idea so you pay a bit more but,ultimately there was still as sense of fairness because you still had to be in line at a certain time or you loose your slot.Now we have a new cooperate greed tool Line Cut just pay ten dollars to jump into line in front of everyone? Now when you enter a line and not PAY you'll have to stand there as waves upon waves of the privileged get on before you.This is the most outrageous and uncourteous move a park could make.
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Friday, June 29, 2001 6:43 AM
Exactly. I think you should take your post and email it to Six Flags. Wait, you can't! Because they don't want to hear from us! Seriously, I think you should get that post to the park. It makes sense.

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Friday, June 29, 2001 7:10 AM
You're willing to spend $40 to get into the park, they're willing to spend another $10 to get a faster ride. It's all about what people are willing to pay for a product or service-- Six Flags is a business in business to make a profit. You can't really blame them for trying to maximize profits, it's what they're supposed to do. Companies have been sued by shareholders for not doing enough to maximize profits.

If you don't like it, don't buy a Fast Pass. If you don't like waiting in line while those waves of people ride ahead of you, don't give the park your patronage. If enough people, having spent a couple of hundred dollars getting a family to and into the park don't feel like dropping another chunk on Fast Passes, they'll disappear soon enough.
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Friday, June 29, 2001 7:40 AM

slithernoggin said:
"Companies have been sued by shareholders for not doing enough to maximize profits."


Ahh, the good old American Way! If the thing can't make money for you, sue it and squeeze it out!

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Friday, June 29, 2001 8:58 AM
I agree and disagree. I was at SFGAm on Wed. It was busy for a weekday, but not as busy as I expected. The front area of the lot was full, so I thought the lines would be hell (for a weekday), so we bought the Fast Lane ticket. It turned out, that the lines were actually pretty short, except for a few rides. We got on Raging Bull in 20 min, maybe less without the pass. I was starting to think the pass was a waste of money...

Well, for low capacity rides, like Giant Drop, and V2, it is almost essential ! The price is reasonable, only $2.50 per ride to eliminate about 4/5ths of your wait, sometimes more (we got on Giant Drop after 2 cycles !) When else can you say you've ridden a brand new ride 4 times in a day, and still rode everything else in the park twice ?!?!? It's also great if you want to wait for the front car, as you will still wait less than you would for a regular seat without the pass.

As for it clogging up the line - it doesn't. They only allow a few Fast Line people at a time. Currently, they are only selling 2000 Fast Lane tickets a day (or so I've been told). Even on a weekday, they sold them all (the ticket window was closed later that afternoon). And from what I could tell it didn't affect the wait for non-Fast Lane patrons much, if at all.

Sure, I'd rather see a Virtual Que, where you get a timed "reservation" for a ride, but that is a complex system that would cost a lot of money for Six Flags to set up, and would probably end up costing everyone money when they raised General Admission prices to cover the cost. This way, if you want the benefit, you are the only one who pays. Besides, if you are looking for value, get a season pass, a Twicket, or a discounted ticket (you can get $10 off by bringing a Coke can - that pays for your Fast Lane right there !). By the way, if you didn't notice, SFGAm lowered their General Admission prices this year. You are already saving money.

As long as it doen't get out of hand, and they start selling so many that it affects the waits of normal patrons, I'm all for it (remember, I was originally against it, but seeing it in action has converted me) !

*** This post was edited by Joe Carroll on 6/29/2001. ***
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Friday, June 29, 2001 11:37 AM
They'll get greedy and sell more passes as time goes on. IOA is going thru this process and making alot of people mad. As the hotels came on line, these guests got all the benefits. Now the lines are so long, they had to scale it back, not calling it FOTL (front of the line) anymore, and the multi-day ticket holders get nothing. The hotel guests now get unlimited Express Passes (a short line), but even that will soon change to one express per ride per day.

Watch, they'll sell more and tie it in with a hotel deal then scale it back to the GP. This is what IOA did, they took away early entry for multi-day ticket holders, and now I won't go back any more this year.

And yes you're right, when you have a Fast Pass (or whatever your park calls it), it's da bomb, you get to the front of the line. But when you don't, you get pissed seeing others hold up your line.

Six Flags just started doing this. Just watch, as time goes on they'll find a way to mess it up.

Just watch when some guy is there with a girl friend and feels obligated to pay $20 (two people) so they can get on the rides. Or imagine the family of 4, that would be $40. It will leave a sour taste in their mouth and they won't come back. In a couple years you'll hear people talking to friends saying things like, "I used to go, but now you gotta pay extra to get in that fast line or you end up waiting, so I don't go anymore."

Its a bad thing and needs to go away.
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Friday, June 29, 2001 1:29 PM
No park is forcing anyone to use a Fast Pass. If guy with girlfriend doesn't want to pay 20 bucks, then he doesn't have to. If family of 4 doesn't want to be out $40, they don't have to.

How many people on this thread have season passes? With your season pass you get to walk right into the park, you don't have to wait to buy tickets at the front. Why should you get a special privilege like that? People who stay at Cedar Point's Hotel Breakers get to walk from their room to the roller coasters. Why should they get a special privilege like that?

I just don't see anytbing wrong with Six Flags seeing if they can make some extra bucks.
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Friday, June 29, 2001 1:53 PM

Joe Carroll said:
"When else can you say you've ridden a brand new ride 4 times in a day, and still rode everything else in the park twice "


That's funny, I went to GAm too on Wednesday and here's my line up.

Raging Bull 4 times
V2 2 times
Viper 2 times
American Eagle 2 times (red and blue, and one time we raced)
Shockwave
Iron Wolf
Batman
Demon
Whizzer
Giant Drop
Logger's Run
Trail Blazer
The train

All in one day. See what you can do using a fast pass the right way.

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Friday, June 29, 2001 6:23 PM
You think Six Flags was the first person to come up this kind of idea? Hardly. At Walt Disney World, if you pay extra for one of "their" hotels, you can get into the park an hour earlier. Right now you can pay extra to drive in a premium lane of the highway (it's in California I believe. Maryland was trying to get this also, but our Governor shot it down). It's a free country people, you don't have to pay for anything you don't want to.
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Friday, June 29, 2001 8:02 PM
I stayed at Hard Rock Hotel the first week it opened. I thought the Front of the Line access was great. We didn't have to wait for anything!

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Friday, June 29, 2001 8:38 PM
Personally, I think the best queue management system I've seen is Kings Island's TCW program. As in "Thirteen Coasters and a Waterpark." If the park capacity is high enough, the lines take care of themselves. You mean to tell me Jane Cooper is the only amusement park executive who understands this?

--Dave Althoff, Jr.
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