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Although it might not seem right, Kennywood is responsible for the safety of its guests. They did not stop the rides. Now I know that the storms moved in quickly, but if they watched the news or any other weather channel, they would realize that it would be necessary to shut down the rides. Yet they didn't.
So even though some enthusiasts would like to think that it wasnt the parks fault (including myself), it really is.
What if Kennywood HAD shut down all the rides and the person was simply killed by flying debris while inside the park? Would they be responsible then?
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To say that Kennywood is respsonsible is, in my opinion, like saying a moblie home manufacturer is responsible when a tornado hits a mobile home park.
I think we have this illusion that amusement parks must be 100% safe, when the reality is that humans are fragile, and can get hurt doing almost anything. Are parks somehow supposed to defy death? If so, I'm moving to Cedar Point, where I will live forever, and rule the galaxy!
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Soggy said:
And now for the "What-if's"What if Kennywood HAD shut down all the rides and the person was simply killed by flying debris while inside the park? Would they be responsible then?
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No, because that is an act of God and Kennywood would have acted responsibly. This is an act of God, but Kennywood should have prepared for it, and was negligent in its handling of the situation. The ride should not have been operating. -Allan
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As I understand it the death that occurred was to someone who was sheltering herself from the storm under the roof. The type of severe down burst the Kennywood was struck by is very unpredictable. The winds can go from quite low to hurricane force in a matter of seconds. We know how to look for rotation as a predictor of tornadoes, but down bursts don't show up as easily on radar. And if it had been predicted people would have been taking shelter in buildings and under roofs such as the whip. I've seen this happen during a severe electrical storm at Typhoon Lagoon. The park employees following what was obviously a well drilled procedure ushered us under whatever protection was available. I spent 90 minutes standing around in a mens room.
The real point is amusement parks don't have bomb shelters for all of their guests. Even with the best of warnings the woman probably would have been in about the same place that she was sheltering from the storm.
The real issue is whether or not Kennywood was at fault in the collapse. The decision on this will depend on the examination of the roof structure and what the peak winds were. If the winds really hit 105 MPH, they were much higher that the design winds for the Pittsburgh area. Remember that roofs were ripped off a number of buildings in the that seciton of town, the whip was not alone.
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Given the information presented in this thread, the only thing we know for certain is that the storm victim was interviewed at his attorney's office. We don't know what he was doing there.
Anybody got a link to the story? Otherwise, how do us non-PG subscribers know he wasn't merely giving an interview at a neutral third-party location? Or perhaps he had issues with the EMTs or disaster response people? Maybe he's a partner in the firm. Let's not crucify him or his lawyer just yet...!
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jeremy
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Later that weekend, a park spokesperson reported that the park had 3 minutes warning that the macroburst was approaching.
For the people that are whining that the park is responsible: tell me how it is possible to do anything constructive other than cause a panic in under 3 minutes, and I'll shut up.
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*** This post was edited by John Ball on 6/10/2002. ***
As has been pointed out, ordinarily these buildings are more than adequete for shelter from even a severe thunder storm. I myself have taken refuge in several of them over the many years that I have gone there. They met, and probably exceeded the code requirements. This was not a thunderstorm. This was a weather condition that is next to impossible to predict it's strength and where and when it's going to crop up.In the amount of time it would have taken the weather service to notify the public of it's existence, it's already too late.
If you're going to blame Kennywood for what happened , you might as well blame the boro of West Mifflin, the county of Allegheny and the state of Pennsyvania. Everything was done in accordence with the laws and regulations on the books. Except Nature doesn't read those books.
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Dutchman said:
As has been pointed out, ordinarily these buildings are more than adequete for shelter from even a severe thunder storm. I myself have taken refuge in several of them over the many years that I have gone there. They met, and probably exceeded the code requirements. This was not a thunderstorm. This was a weather condition that is next to impossible to predict it's strength and where and when it's going to crop up.In the amount of time it would have taken the weather service to notify the public of it's existence, it's already too late.
If you're going to blame Kennywood for what happened , you might as well blame the boro of West Mifflin, the county of Allegheny and the state of Pennsyvania. Everything was done in accordence with the laws and regulations on the books. Except Nature doesn't read those books.
Very well said. You can't predict those macro or micorbursts. It's just like the 1985 Delta L1011 Tri-Star crash at DFW Airport. Now our forcasting is more advanced now, but thats shows how you cannot predict these types of weather acts. Outta nowhere the plane was on approach and got slammed into the ground by a microburst.
Personally, it's sick how sue happy people are.
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