Monday, June 10, 2002 2:23 PM
Can you believe it. Less than a week after a sever thunderstorm packing 105MPH winds killed a women and injured several people at Kennywood, the Pittsburgh Post Gazette had an artical about one of the storm victims. They interviewed him at his lawyers office. I can not see how Kennywood could be held responsible. They did not even give Kennywood a chance to make things right.

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Monday, June 10, 2002 2:28 PM
Yes Kennywood can and probably is responsible for the ride death. Kennywood and any other theme park should have up to the minute weather forcast and warning. One of my friends went, he said he heard no siren or alarm. I though rides were supposed to be closed when there is severe weather, indoor and outdoor. right?
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Monday, June 10, 2002 2:31 PM
I agree. From what I heard no one was warned whatsoever and even if they were, they preceeded to keep the Whip open because it is under a roof. Hello people, winds can tear apart anything

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Monday, June 10, 2002 2:43 PM

Although it might not seem right, Kennywood is responsible for the safety of its guests. They did not stop the rides. Now I know that the storms moved in quickly, but if they watched the news or any other weather channel, they would realize that it would be necessary to shut down the rides. Yet they didn't.

So even though some enthusiasts would like to think that it wasnt the parks fault (including myself), it really is.

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Monday, June 10, 2002 3:48 PM
And now for the "What-if's"

What if Kennywood HAD shut down all the rides and the person was simply killed by flying debris while inside the park? Would they be responsible then?

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Monday, June 10, 2002 3:52 PM
I've never been to a park that has an alarm for weather, though I've been caught in more than a few storms at parks. Most parks have a policy of closing rides that are susceptable to weather, ie outdoor rides.

To say that Kennywood is respsonsible is, in my opinion, like saying a moblie home manufacturer is responsible when a tornado hits a mobile home park.

I think we have this illusion that amusement parks must be 100% safe, when the reality is that humans are fragile, and can get hurt doing almost anything. Are parks somehow supposed to defy death? If so, I'm moving to Cedar Point, where I will live forever, and rule the galaxy!

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Monday, June 10, 2002 3:52 PM

Soggy said:
And now for the "What-if's"

What if Kennywood HAD shut down all the rides and the person was simply killed by flying debris while inside the park? Would they be responsible then?

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No, because that is an act of God and Kennywood would have acted responsibly. This is an act of God, but Kennywood should have prepared for it, and was negligent in its handling of the situation. The ride should not have been operating. -Allan

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Monday, June 10, 2002 3:55 PM

As I understand it the death that occurred was to someone who was sheltering herself from the storm under the roof. The type of severe down burst the Kennywood was struck by is very unpredictable. The winds can go from quite low to hurricane force in a matter of seconds. We know how to look for rotation as a predictor of tornadoes, but down bursts don't show up as easily on radar. And if it had been predicted people would have been taking shelter in buildings and under roofs such as the whip. I've seen this happen during a severe electrical storm at Typhoon Lagoon. The park employees following what was obviously a well drilled procedure ushered us under whatever protection was available. I spent 90 minutes standing around in a mens room.

The real point is amusement parks don't have bomb shelters for all of their guests. Even with the best of warnings the woman probably would have been in about the same place that she was sheltering from the storm.

The real issue is whether or not Kennywood was at fault in the collapse. The decision on this will depend on the examination of the roof structure and what the peak winds were. If the winds really hit 105 MPH, they were much higher that the design winds for the Pittsburgh area. Remember that roofs were ripped off a number of buildings in the that seciton of town, the whip was not alone.

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Monday, June 10, 2002 3:59 PM
The ride was still designated as an area that was safe for storms. Kennywood thought the ride was safe.

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Monday, June 10, 2002 4:13 PM
Look at my signature...So true, so true....:(

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Monday, June 10, 2002 4:32 PM
Now, now...

Given the information presented in this thread, the only thing we know for certain is that the storm victim was interviewed at his attorney's office. We don't know what he was doing there.

Anybody got a link to the story? Otherwise, how do us non-PG subscribers know he wasn't merely giving an interview at a neutral third-party location? Or perhaps he had issues with the EMTs or disaster response people? Maybe he's a partner in the firm. Let's not crucify him or his lawyer just yet...!

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

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Monday, June 10, 2002 4:33 PM
So what, you'd rather have the person's family just have the park dictate to them what all the ramifications should be? That's just not intelligent. ANYTIME a major accident like that happens, the parties involved SHOULD consult COMPETENT counsel. Not any old ragamuffin "Ambulance chaser", but one that is genuinely interested in seeking a fair and legal outcome. ALL LAWYERS AINT BAD. Let me repeat that. ALL LAWYERS AINT BAD. But in situations like this, they are the ones best trained to handle the situation.
lata,
jeremy
--who thinks everyone should have a lawyer on retainer
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Monday, June 10, 2002 4:41 PM
I know my family lawyer isnt bad, he got us $4,000,000!!!!!!!!

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Monday, June 10, 2002 4:55 PM

Later that weekend, a park spokesperson reported that the park had 3 minutes warning that the macroburst was approaching.

For the people that are whining that the park is responsible: tell me how it is possible to do anything constructive other than cause a panic in under 3 minutes, and I'll shut up.

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Monday, June 10, 2002 5:04 PM
OK, this is the story in the PG http://www.post-gazette.com/localnews/20020606whip5.asp.
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Monday, June 10, 2002 5:08 PM
If Kennywood would have had shelters from the storm, then she wouldn't have been hiding under a ride for protection. Kennywood is responsible, even if it wasn't their fault.
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Monday, June 10, 2002 5:24 PM
Here is the web site for the Pittsburgh Post Gazette www.post-gazette.com . Serch for an artical "Man recounts collapse of Kennywood pavilion." The artical was in the June 6 paper. I have been at parks in storms before. The coasters and other tall rides closed, but not the indoor rides. I never heard any kind of warning or announcement during the storms. The pavilion at Kennywood was designated as a storm shelter. For those of you out there siding with the lawyers, not from the Pittsburgh area, the storm destroyed several homes, damaged many others, tore brick walls off of a few buildings and uprooted countless trees. I live about 45 minutes away from Kennywood and we had ping-pong ball sized hail. This was an act of God.

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Monday, June 10, 2002 5:34 PM

As has been pointed out, ordinarily these buildings are more than adequete for shelter from even a severe thunder storm. I myself have taken refuge in several of them over the many years that I have gone there. They met, and probably exceeded the code requirements. This was not a thunderstorm. This was a weather condition that is next to impossible to predict it's strength and where and when it's going to crop up.In the amount of time it would have taken the weather service to notify the public of it's existence, it's already too late.

If you're going to blame Kennywood for what happened , you might as well blame the boro of West Mifflin, the county of Allegheny and the state of Pennsyvania. Everything was done in accordence with the laws and regulations on the books. Except Nature doesn't read those books.

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Monday, June 10, 2002 8:12 PM
One of the reasons parks have indoor rides/attractions is so that guests still have something to do in case of incliment weather.

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Monday, June 10, 2002 8:29 PM

Dutchman said:

As has been pointed out, ordinarily these buildings are more than adequete for shelter from even a severe thunder storm. I myself have taken refuge in several of them over the many years that I have gone there. They met, and probably exceeded the code requirements. This was not a thunderstorm. This was a weather condition that is next to impossible to predict it's strength and where and when it's going to crop up.In the amount of time it would have taken the weather service to notify the public of it's existence, it's already too late.

If you're going to blame Kennywood for what happened , you might as well blame the boro of West Mifflin, the county of Allegheny and the state of Pennsyvania. Everything was done in accordence with the laws and regulations on the books. Except Nature doesn't read those books.


Very well said. You can't predict those macro or micorbursts. It's just like the 1985 Delta L1011 Tri-Star crash at DFW Airport. Now our forcasting is more advanced now, but thats shows how you cannot predict these types of weather acts. Outta nowhere the plane was on approach and got slammed into the ground by a microburst.

Personally, it's sick how sue happy people are.

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