Wednesday, September 19, 2001 2:45 PM
if looping coasters like robin and flight of fear have lap bars why cant B&M floorlesses and sitdowns have lap bars
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Wednesday, September 19, 2001 2:51 PM
Im sure they could if they used the same kind of lap bar as they use for Raging Bull.
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Wednesday, September 19, 2001 2:52 PM
Because they don't need them.  It is a rare occasion when a rider experiences headbanging on a B&M ride.  The shoulder harness is the most cost-effective way to keep a rider in on a looping coaster as well.  Also, don't expect all or even most looping coasters to switch over to lapbar restraints anytime soon.
Ha!  I'd like to see a lapbar on a floorless.  That would take some R&D.

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Wednesday, September 19, 2001 3:50 PM
Speak for yourself. Raptor left me with a splitting headache last time I rode it.

Last year at IAAPA, I posed the question at the B&M booth (unfortunately not to either Mr. B. or Mr. M.), but the person I spoke with reacted as though he didn't think I could possibly be serious.

I'm thinking the Premier Rides booth may be an interesting place this year, now that last year's big secret is out...

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

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Wednesday, September 19, 2001 4:38 PM
You may well be right Dave.  I could hardly believe the transformation of the Robin side of the Chiller at SFGAdv.  Robin had been a painful experience not to be repeated.  Now it is the best shuttle coaster that I have ridden and excellent by any standard.  They must have changed the running gear as well as the restraints.  The ride is now quite smooth. 

FOF at PKD still had a jerky motion when I rode it with the new restraints.  Robin's jerkiness seems to be completely gone.

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Wednesday, September 19, 2001 4:40 PM


Coastercraver said:
Because they don't need them.  It is a rare occasion when a rider experiences headbanging on a B&M ride.  The shoulder harness is the most cost-effective way to keep a rider in on a looping coaster as well 

It isn't just about headbanging. Lapbars give way more freedom than OTSR's. Lap bars make for more movement and more fun. They make for a more thrilling, better ride.

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Wednesday, September 19, 2001 6:51 PM
Also, it's because of appearance(s.p.).  I mean, imagine how Kumba would look with otsr's.  The otsr's are what give that train it's "look".  I think that B&M's otsr's look really cool.  They have this angular curve to them(if that makes sense).  I like them on B&M's loopers.
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Wednesday, September 19, 2001 7:04 PM
Without it's shoulder bars, Kumba's train would look a lot like the trains on Raging Bull and Apollo's Chariot and Nitro. You have a problem with that?? :)

--Dave Althoff, Jr.
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Wednesday, September 19, 2001 8:04 PM
Okay, I spoke for myself and as it would seem, most enthusiests.  It is a rare occasion when anyone mentions headbanging from B&M (except on their earliest rides). 

And by the "most cost effective",  I mean I would think it would take a fair amount of money to redesign the trains.  Every type of train uses shoulder-restraints except their speed-coasters.  And since there are hardly any complaints about headbanging from people (it all is laid on Vekoma and Arrow's shoulders); why "waste" money to redesign their trains?

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Wednesday, September 19, 2001 8:16 PM
and dont forget the GP, i heard that some people are actually scared to ride the premiers with lapbars because they think that they will fall out, you know the GP.."no looping rollercoaster has a lapbar". ive heard that a couple of times.  and plus, i dont think that lapbars are neccesary, if your gonna design a coaster with OTSR's, then design it right, or dont design it at all *cough* togo *cough* vekoma *cough* arrow *cough*, damn, what a cold i have...
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Wednesday, September 19, 2001 8:26 PM
This whole changing-to-lapbars revolution so to speak is relatively new... Trend was changing to over the shoulders. Give em a few years, I'm sure most designers will begin to come around.
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Thursday, September 20, 2001 1:20 PM
It just doesn't seem right.  The clamshell on a looper?  I dunno, maybe it's just me.  It's like, a convertable suv.  I just doesn't seem right.  Sure, it can be done, but it doesn't feel right.  This is just my opinion, no, I don't have a problem with Nitro's trains on Kumba, it could be cool.  But it just wouldn't have that feel that a B&M looper should have.
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Thursday, September 20, 2001 1:21 PM

sfmm15 said:
if looping coasters like robin and flight of fear have lap bars why cant B&M floorlesses and sitdowns have lap bars

B&M sitdowns do have lapbars, Raging Bull, Nitro...

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Thursday, September 20, 2001 1:51 PM

force312 said:


sfmm15 said:
if looping coasters like robin and flight of fear have lap bars why cant B&M floorlesses and sitdowns have lap bars

B&M sitdowns do have lapbars, Raging Bull, Nitro...


i think he meant looping B&M coasters

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Thursday, September 20, 2001 2:01 PM
DDFire19: I might be one of the only people to agree with you, but I also have no problem with OTSR's on B&M's. In fact, I like 'em. As you mentioned, it gives the trains the B&M "look". Besides, as mentioned before, the GP would be freaked out (or at least some of the gp)

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Thursday, September 20, 2001 2:43 PM
I agree the look of the OTSR is a key element of the B&M train.

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Thursday, September 20, 2001 2:43 PM
LOL, gp are funny, Oh no, a loop on Monte and no restraints, WE'RE GONNA DIE!!!. Ok well anyway, some companies and parks should really think about placing lapbars on their coasters. The largest example has been said once and said a twice and maybe 15,000 other times, here at the Mountain, Revolution. But i mean, there are many other rides that would benefit from Lapbars.
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Thursday, September 20, 2001 2:50 PM
It is pretty funny seeing people turn away from Robin after waiting an hour in line and discovering it has lap bars.
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Thursday, September 20, 2001 3:02 PM
There are a lot of loopers that would benefit from lap bars. Most Arrow's, Boomerangs, Schwarzkopf rides. Its funny how some rides were never switched to OTSR's but others were. Shockwave at SFoT still has lap bars (thank god)and it never seemed to be a problem. I hope it helps some coasters that are on the edge out there. Drachen Fire, Taz's Texas Tornado.
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