Kumba - No Belts

I was wondering why Kumba at BGT has no safety belts on their restraints, unlike other B&M's. What's strange, is that on some rows it looks like the belt locks were ripped off the restraints, while on other rows it looks like it was never there.

Also, are there any other B&Ms without that safety belt?

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*** This post was edited by FloridaCoasterRider on 4/20/2001. ***
B&M's old stand ups, at least Iron Wolf, didn't have those seat belts on them. Why do B&M's need these anyways? Arrow coasters work fine without them. So do many others.
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"We are no longer the knights who say Ni! We are now the knights who say eckyeckyeckyeckypakungloopoingengzourjin." "Ni"
I don't think Mantis had them the first year or 2 either.

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- Peabody
I noticed that two about a week ago. It does look like they were there at one time. Anyway, I think that Iron Wolf doesn't have any niether does Raging Bull (probably cause there is no place to put them on those resraints).
To tell you the truth Krazy, I think it is for 2 things. 1. Lawsuits. It would make the company look better in court. 2. It gives people a much safer feeling. It gives me a very safe feeling, even though there is almost no use for them at all.
B&M actually put a type of seatbelt on Nitro. I was disappointed when I heard about them at first (I love the Bull trains), but I was very pleased to find them sleek, out of the way, and not inconvenient at all!
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- Peabody

Krazy said:
"B&M's old stand ups, at least Iron Wolf, didn't have those seat belts on them. Why do B&M's need these anyways? Arrow coasters work fine without them. So do many others.
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"We are no longer the knights who say Ni! We are now the knights who say eckyeckyeckyeckypakungloopoingengzourjin." "Ni""



Well of coarse Arrow has a lot of painful headbanging, while B&M doesn't. Just something to think about.

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What is life with out coasters, geniuses, and/or SFA
Having no seatbelts on Kumba made me a bit nervous in case the OTSRs failed! :)

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Australia's No.1 Coaster Nut
Just think, the OTSRs could suddenly pop up for some mysterious reason and people go flying out all overr the place. You better be happy those seat belts are there. They don't affect the ride anyway. Who cares? Also, I just don't think Arrows are too safe. I heard that they may begin adding belts on their coasters; just to avoid safety related lawsuits.
What? That is so unsafe!!!

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"Riding High"


mamba said:
"Just think, the OTSRs could suddenly pop up for some mysterious reason and people go flying out all over the place.."


I'm sorry, but that's crap. HUNDREDS of coasters of all types operate and have operated safely without seatbelts. Are you saying they are unsafe? I'd like you to quote a death from a restraint failure, or a case of the restraints "popping up" like you describe.

I personally don't mind seatbelts, although they can effect capacity. But, coasters without them are by NO means unsafe
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- Peabody
here's the low down...

After the events of 1999, you know the Shockwave accident(s)and the Drop Zone @ PGA accident. Parks began to evaluate the safety of thier standups and drop rides. First, after the drop ride accident in California, parks began adding belts to the Intamin Drop Towers these included all Drop Zones, including the new-at-the-time Gyro Drop even though they had been built and run without them. With the standup coaster "events" we see Paramount add belts connecting the two sides of the over the shoulder restraints on thier Togo standups. The idea behind this is similar to the new Arrow 4-d design where if the harness fails the belt will ensure that the bars still cover the passenger. B&M made these moves in response to the events. While there was never a death or serious injury on thier standups they too added belts that dangle from the "seat" and clip to the front of the harness. Some of the newly installed clips read "for marine use only". These belts were added to ALL B&M standups and have been the result of lots of hassel as now all belts have to be buckled before dispatch. Remember stand up trains and inverted/floorless trains are different so this adds to the difficulty. All new B&M rides since then have had these belts such as the floorless (Medusa, etc) and sitdowns with thier new more open train design (Hulk, Wildfire, etc)

While some may argue that the belts were seen on Oblivion at Alton Towers before this drama, I think more recent uses of the belts are in response to recent events. In fact in Flight of Fear's new train rehab we see a belt that does no purpose but to ensure the belt is down far enough. I have a real hard time believing that this small strap with a hook is gonna hold that lap bar down if something happens.

As for Kumba, the old design isn't as open as the new reclining standard sitdown B&M as seen on wildfire, so I dont think they really need the belts.

Finally, for the belts on Nitro, I was under the impression that they are only used for larger guests, how do they work, anyone have any details. I know they are hidden the arm rest.
You got it. I totally understand why seat belts on coasters exist. I dispute that a roller coaster is unsafe if it does not have a seatbelt, as some have implied. Also, many of the more recent accidents have involved a person voluntarily getting out of the restraint system. A seatbelt sure isn't going to stop that.

Badboy, I have ridden Nitro, and indeed the seatbelt like cable is attached to every seat. It is the most sleek, unobtrusive, and easy belt system I've seen to date. It didn't seem to slow down loading as some seatbelts and crews can do.

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- Peabody *** This post was edited by Peabody on 4/21/2001. ***

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