Knoebels worker arrested for stealing

Posted Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:12 AM | Contributed by supermandl

A former trusted employee at Knoebels Amusement Resort was charged Friday with stealing money from the park office, and officials believe as much as $50,000 to $60,000 may be missing.

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Wednesday, January 21, 2004 3:11 PM
Very true matt, It's just the fact that people in the middle are more flexible over issues than the far left or right. It has a lot to do with common sense over/or instead of finger pointing. The whole thing gets becomes more complicated though the deeper you look into it.

See...now I'm pointing too. Dammit

As far as Knoebels is concerned, I can understand both sides(again) here. Part of me says Dick did the right thing and showed some compassion, while the other part of me sees how it doesn't become a deterrent for anyone else who steals. (I guess since we don't know all the facts surrounding the parties involved here, it becomes more of a *left* vs *right* issue) We need laws/rules to live by in a civilized society. Sometimes though, they don't always apply to the circumstances. That's how you learn to become flexible and tolerant because we do not live in a perfect world. I just think that some of the extremists are trying too hard to create that which isn't going to happen

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Wednesday, January 21, 2004 3:38 PM
Robocoaster's avatar Whoa! I simply meant that Bob O isn't Dick Knoebel. Period. I should have made that more clear. If it were me, and I learned she had priors, then yes, even at her age, I would've wanted some time served. If however, she had a clean record and had already returned a substantial sum, then I would not have advocated jail time.

As for this vs thing, sorry guys, but it all horse****.

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Wednesday, January 21, 2004 3:42 PM
YOu also have to take into consideration that at small parks, long-term employees are not just employees...they are friends and almost like family. Perhaps that also counted into Dick Knoebels' decision to agree to the lesser punishment...
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Wednesday, January 21, 2004 5:15 PM
rollergator's avatar Probably a good thing to point out that MANY MANY businesses have this kind of problem with employee theft....the difference here is that Knoebels doesn't have to worry about stockholders and share prices, etc. When you OWN your own business, you have a LOT more say in what information is realeased, to whom, and under what circumstances...;~).

As for an "appropriate punishment", Dick K probably knows the situation FAR better than any of US do...

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Wednesday, January 21, 2004 11:21 PM
People who feel the need to classify people as one or the other live in a fantasy world of absolutes. Liberal vs. conservative has nothing to do with anything when it comes to stupid laws, it just has to do with stupid people!

I disagree Jeff! A quick look at Webster's gives us the following definition!

Conservative: disposition in politics to preserve what is established

Very simply put---by strict definition of the word conservative, any new law would not apply! Any person, regardless of political party or affiliation that would introduce new legislation, would not be acting in a conservative manner!

Has anybody taken the time to discover the political party affiliation that every recent lawmaker who has introduced amusement device restriction bills has come from? Is the fact that they all have come from one side of the isle mere coincidence? You claim stupid laws come from stupid people! I agree 100%! I've just taken the next step, and ridiculous amounts of energy to observe whom these stupid people are and what political party they affiliate with! I’ve found none of this type of behavior coming from the so-called conservative side of the isle.

Apparently you don't believe in classifications or absolutes! How can your viewpoint explain that absolutely every member that has been involved with amusement ride legislation could be classified to one political affiliation? There really is no gray area on this issue. It is one side that seems hell bent on restricting amusement park rides! Whether this is justified or not is not my argument! I’m merely stating the obvious! I realize this could be inflammatory to those of you who subscribe to a left leaning viewpoint! I’m sure there are all kinds that enjoy rides/coasters! However, I’m just stating reality. Don’t get mad at the messenger.

I would not dare suggest that anybody vote for a politician based solely upon the possibility that amusement ride restrictions could develop! I merely point out that, for some reason, those stupid laws you speak of, are all coming from one side of the political isle! Maybe, some could think about this quandary before they vote next time!

You have every right to argue whether or not ride restriction bills are needed and justified. Better minds can and will disagree on this just as Bob O and Robocoaster disagreed above! I don’t see any reason to resort to cheap personal attacks over honest disagreements! However, it seems flat out foolish and strong headed to argue that liberal or conservative viewpoints do not have some place in the discussion! The mere fact that only one side is involved with the process indicates that indeed there is a strong correlation there! To ignore this obvious would be---shall I dare say---stupid?

*** This post was edited by Jeffrey R Smith 1/21/2004 11:23:33 PM ***

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Thursday, January 22, 2004 8:27 AM
Jeff's avatar Whatever dude... dictionaries say a lot of things. Labels are for people who live in a discreet black and white world, and that world is a fantasy world. See other posts.
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Thursday, January 22, 2004 11:06 AM
I'm not sure where you are coming from Jeff!? The only point I have made and continue to make is that the entities that are trying to regulate the amusement park industry have all come from the same side of the political spectrum! Do you deny this? I’m not even sure why this is an issue with anybody! If you want to call this a label, and then refute this simple fact based upon some grudge you hold against classifications/labels---I guess this is your right! I’m not sure what your grudge against the evils of classifications has to do with anything, but consider your point understood on my end! J It still does not change the simple fact that those wanting to regulate the industry have all come from the left side of the isle to date! I only state that those who vote might want to take this into account if it is important to them! No need to get upset! I certainly have my opinions, as do you. However, this post is not really about an opinion! It is about a fact! There really is no argument to make, unless of course, you can find some information in all that coaster data of yours that would show that there has been even one incident in the last 10 years where a politician from the right side of the isle has proposed bills/regulations to limit the amusement park industries! I’ve tried, and cannot find even one case! The challenge is out there for you or anybody to prove me wrong! This seems interesting and fishy to me! Why do you or anybody refuse to grant this simple fact? Are you asking the message board readers to ignore the truth and stick with some generalization based upon opinion that the world is always gray and there are no absolutes? I can’t really discuss/debate with somebody who is not intellectually honest enough to look at the facts! Apparently, I’ve struck a political nerve here!

Anyhow, I’ll wait for somebody to show me even one incident where the right has been behind these regulations! Until then, it is painfully obvious where the truth is!? You can choose to believe it, or you can hold onto some internal ideal that has no basis in reality for this particular situation! Some people go through their whole lives doing this!

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Thursday, January 22, 2004 11:41 AM
Blah blah blah blah I'm bringing up politics on a coaster board to sound cooler blah blah blah blah blah.

Seriously, what does it matter to you what Dick K. decides to do? Wouldn't that decision ultimately be up to him? I don't give a flying rat's ass what your political affiliation or viewpoint is. Here in America that's the way things work. If the wronged person doesn't want to pursue the issue any more then that's it. That's the decision of the wronged individual, not somebody on a message board who's blubbering about liberals' and conservatives' conflicting viewpoints and how the conflict is going to destroy our hobby.

Grab a beer and watch a basketball game. Go outside with your kid/neice/nephew/cousin/friend/random person on the street and build a snowman. Just do something other than blubber about politics when it has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

Mr. Knoebel did what he thought was right and his opinion is the only one that counts in the situation.[edit: removed a redundancy]*** This post was edited by Michael Darling 1/22/2004 11:42:28 AM ***

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Thursday, January 22, 2004 11:50 AM
Jeff's avatar

he only point I have made and continue to make is that the entities that are trying to regulate the amusement park industry have all come from the same side of the political spectrum! Do you deny this?
What's to deny? It's not true (I didn't read the rest of your post and don't plan to because every sentence ends with an exclamation point.) Markey's bill, for example, was sponsored by reps on both sides of the isle. Furthermore the notion that because someone supports one cause that they therefore support another set of causes is stupid.
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Thursday, January 22, 2004 8:53 PM
I didn't read the rest of your post and don't plan to

Maybe the fact you don't read is why you have to rely on cliches (Labels are for people who live in a discreet black and white world, and that world is a fantasy world) as your guiding principals! Putting actual thought into a post could require some reading skills!!

Here is some more truth related cliches for you! This is quite fun. no thinking at all, just simple blabber to make myself feel smart!

1. Wisdom is not truth

2. There are lies, damned lies and statistics

3. Who cares about reasoning anyway

4. Truth is relative

5. There is no comfort in the truth

6. The truth is just as meaningful as the lie

I win! I spewed more cliche's than you!

P.S. I'll take the fact that you still have not named one person from the opposite political spectrum that has introduced this type of legislation as evidence you definately don't read! :-)

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Thursday, January 22, 2004 10:13 PM
Jeff's avatar Of course... it's always someone else's inability to read or lack of comprehension that can be attributed to the non-acceptance of your opinion.

Move along...

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Thursday, January 22, 2004 11:53 PM
Move along...

Take your own advice! You don't always need the last word!

it's always someone else's inability to read

Of course it is! Who was it that wrote I didn't read the rest of your post and don't plan to? Master of the obvious..........Oops another cliche to live by! :-)

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Friday, January 23, 2004 2:30 AM
I wish I had a hammer.


*** This post was edited by Michael Darling 1/23/2004 2:31:09 AM ***

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