If they are talking about opening the Turns for 2006, I guess the issue with the cars was solved AND they built the time machine to let them go back into the past to find the lost technology. :) :) :)
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First of all, does anyone here know if they have any plans drawn yet, or if they have a design in mind? It seems logical that they would draw from a previously existing ride, but i'm not sure if any such plans exist.
I imagine I'm one of the few here fortunate enough to have ridden one of the original Flying Turns. (Euclid Beach) I can say a few things about the ride in general. First of all, the ride was extremely short, and I'm talking maybe 30-40 seconds from the top of the lift to the brake. That model was one of the largest, too, and was the tallest structure at the Beach. After a couple short "starter" dips it ran continously downhill from there with no level spots and certainly no blocking break. One of the last features was a spiral where the trains met with a "crowd" rail that forced the trains to the bottom of the chute and into the final sled-style brakes.
The turns themselves were tight and close, much more so than the Intamin or Mack versions found today. The Mack coaches are the closest thing I've seen to the original, perhaps they are small and flexible enough to be used on Knoebel's all wood ride. The wheels actually have to touch the wood chute, though, no metal rails existed on the original rides. I remember a wide stripe of paint on the track that followed the path of the train, perhaps it was to increase the durability of the wood. The original tracks were constructed out of cypress wood, I don't know how expensive that would be these days.
If anyone out there can successfully recreate a Flying Turns, the folks at Knoebels can, and they should be admired and thanked for the effort. Whether it appears in '06 or later, you all need to get there and try it. Even though my experience was "back in the day" it remains in my memory as one of the most thrilling rides I've taken.
You vastly underestimate the folks at Knoebels. They've been wanting to do this project for some time now and have done a lot of research. The only thing previously holding them back was finding someone to build the trains and I believe that has been accomplished. Someone told me footers are already being poured although I cannot confirm that. I predict by Phunphest 2006 we'll be riding the Flying Turns.
Might not be as hard as folks think it will be. Then again, What do I know?
Moosh, Did you read his whole post? He did't underestimate them.
And you're right, the structure of such rides allows for lots of layering, as the track tends to figure-8 and/or zigzag it's way toward the ground.
Perhaps Knoebels has been working on a design for years, I have no way of knowing. As I look at pictures of the old rides, though, I can't imagine that construction of such a track wouldn't be the most difficult and labor intensive thing we've seen in a while. They just don't build 'em like that anymore.
There's been talk since the early 80's of recreating the Turns, and so far attempts by steel coaster producers have fallen short. Mack comes closest, Intamin nowhere near. Even Arrow had a concept, but no one picked it up.
All's I was a-sayin' is... I'm glad Knoebels will give this a shot, and if anyone can do this it's them, and if it's by the '06 Phunfest I'm all the happier. I can't wait to see the details.
Moosh- do you know who will actually build these trains?
Lets just say it can be done, and it will be an experience like no other, ladies and gentleman. *** Edited 12/5/2005 4:09:58 AM UTC by MagnunBarrel***
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Dick Knoebel just doesn't strike me as the type to shoot from the hip and announce something he isn't able to back up. At PPP he said he didn't know WHEN construction would begin, not IF, not when plans would be ready.
Just think... this one corner of the park will have a reconstructed original Looper and a re-created (not sure if that's the correct word to use) Flying Turns. It makes me wish there's some room left over to install more gems from the past.
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