What's kind of weird is I have heard three variations within the past three days from three different, unrelated people. Version A-- they've already started charging admission, Version B-- they're going to start this summer after Memorial Day, Version C-- the park is closed this year while they make improvements then start charging admission next year.
Now I can personally debunk Versions A and C, and at this point B seems highly unlikely. I'm not even sure where these rumors come from-- the people who told me are GP and not enthusiasts in the least. I checked the rumors on a few other sites, and it's not even mentioned just to laugh it off. But what's sad is the three people I spoke were seriously considering not going to the park anymore if there were an admission charge put in place.
From a business standpoint, do you think that a hypothetical decision to eliminate the free admission would be more beneficial or harmful to the park? Would a gain in admissions be offset by the loss of the "casual" crowds and the income they contribute buying food, souvenirs and an occasional ride? Or the families who buy a few strips of tickets mostly to put the kids on rides?
Perhaps the rumor monger in question got Knoebels confused with Kennywood, which eliminated its General Admission this year and went to straight POP?
Hey, they both start with "K", they both start with that "Ken-" sound, Knoebels is in the woods, they're both in Pennsylvania...Sure, I can see how someone could get the two mixed up... :)
--Dave Althoff, Jr.
Seriously, I do not believe that for one second. I've been going to that park every single summer since I was a fetus, and even if it were true, I'd still go. Nonetheless, I can never see that happening.
What I think may have happened is someone heard or saw the ads for Knoebels for the special all-day handstamps for the weekends in May, since handstamps usually aren't offered on weekends throughout the summer. They probably heard "one low admission price" and assumed it meant the park was now charging admission.
I think it would be more of a ka-nightmare trying to fence in the whole park and restrict entry to one location.
I feel that Knoebels isn't pretty enough to be a gated park, imho. It's design and layout just doesn't fit as a POP gated park. They would have to make it more like a "park" before gating it (plant grass, create paved walkways, perminent borders around rides, ect).
What they charge for all day rides is way to expensive as it is for what they offer, especially if you add in the pool/waterslides, imho. If they charged what they do now for entrance into the park if it were gated, I don't think it would work, mostly because non-riders can go now without paying.
I respect the hype this park gets, but I don't get it.
What a strange rumor. I think we all know that this would never happen.
Knoebels is more of a resort than you think and gating it would only hurt it. Not to mention cost a fortune to fence in.
In 2001 we camped there for four days and only did the park one and a little in the evenings A phoenix ride or a flyers ride but not much at ticket cost.
Chuck, who's only change he would make is let a all day ride pass be available on the weekends. Even if it was a few bucks more than the weekday All day pass. I've avoided the park on weekends on both my visits because it would have cost me a hundred for what i can do on a normal day for thirty two fifty.
So he doesn't "get" Knoebels. Big deal.
RatherGoodBear said: Version A-- they've already started charging admission, Version B-- they're going to start this summer after Memorial Day, Version C-- the park is closed this year while they make improvements then start charging admission next year.
You forgot Version D- Knoebels has been bought by Hersheypark, Dorney Park or Six Flags!
From going to Knoebels several times a week I can honestly say they would do alot better the way they are now, with tickets and handstamps. Knoebels makes a killing on weekends after Memorial Day just offering tickets. Everyone on the rides spent money for each and every ride they rode.
How many times did you leave Knoebels with a few strips of tickets left from a book? Right now on my desk I have 5 books some with a few left and others basicly unused. Basicly until they are used thats free money to the park, like dropping coins in a fountain.
I know alot of people take their kids for a few hours to put them on 4 or 5 rides, eat then go home. Having to pay $31 or even a $15 twlight to get in for 2 hours, ride a few rides and then eat wouldn't fly in this area. I know alot of people where I live that never travel. Some people consider driving an hour away a trip. It's pretty sad if you ask me. I hear enough people say $2 is alot for a ride on Twister! I just assume they haven't been to Vegas to ride Manhattan Express.
For some reason most people that live within 30 minutes or so don't realize how great of a gem Knoebels actually is. My guess is because they didn't get out and see most places you spend $6-$10 to park, $35 to get in the park and a burger, fried, and drink will run you $15. Most people I talk to say Knoebels sucks and their rides are boring. They would rather go to Hershey, Dorney, or Six Flags. If Knoebels was gated and charged everyone a set fee I'm sure families either wouldn't go to a park or just go someplace like Hershey or Dorney instead.
When I talk to people about going everywhere riding coasters they always ask your favorites. They always seem suprised when I say Phoenix is one of my favories and knoebels is one of my favorite parks too. They usually ask me if I'm joking.
Charles Nungester said:
I've avoided the park on weekends on both my visits because it would have cost me a hundred for what i can do on a normal day for thirty two fifty.
I'll second that.
If I go to Knoebels on the weekends, it is in May or September when the Ride All Day option is available on Sat and Sun. If I go any other time (June - August), it is on a week day... and preferably not on a "Bargain Night". On "Bargain Nights" you may pay less... but the lines are longer, so you ride less for your money.
Not sure how often they do it... if it is for the entire month... but the last two years we visited in September, they gave a coupon for a "Free Ride All Day Pass" good for select weekends the following May. By the Wood Coaster Option, the Wood Coaster Option is also included in the free pass in May.
I hear enough people say $2 is alot for a ride on Twister! I just assume they haven't been to Vegas to ride Manhattan Express.
Forget Vegas... They must never have travelled just down the road to Hershey for Spring Time in the Park or Hersheypark in the Dark (their only "Pay Per Ride" events) When a ride on most of their coasters will cost $4.50.
I often stop at Knoebels just to break up the long drive through PA. I can take a ride on Phoenix, Twister, the Train, the Haunted Mansion and get a snack all for less then what I would pay to park at a "major park."
I think the locals would have a conniption if that ever changed. It was tried and failed at Conneaut and Rye Playland (although if they were able to fence Conneaut, fencing Knoebels should be simple!).
But I would like to see a POP wristband for weekends (though it might make the lines really long).
(Edited for Spelling to make me look less ignorant) *** Edited 5/17/2005 3:32:48 PM UTC by SLFAKE***
2) The original rumor was most DEFINITELY regarding Kennywood....and it came TRUE! ;)
Actually, aren't a lot of those cabins owned by Knoebels and used as seasonal rentals?
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