Johhny Rockets

Monday, February 26, 2007 4:58 PM
No, CP was NEVER and ISLAND! on the east side, there is a strip of land about 50 yards wide connecting it to route 6. It's a narrow -two-lane road that could not handle all the traffic that come in on a daily basis.

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Monday, February 26, 2007 5:34 PM
Hmm.. they refer to it as an island in the history of the park, and state that the only way to get to it was by Ferry.

And the causeway is man-made. IMO that doesn't change the type of landmass. :)


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Monday, February 26, 2007 9:32 PM
Both White Castle and In n Out are family/company owned, not franchised, hence why they are only in one part of the country.
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Tuesday, February 27, 2007 12:01 PM
During the Civil War, it was refered to as a penninsula. They actually had cannons stationhed on it. (a bit far north to be worried about the south, IMO, but I'm no tactitian.)

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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:26 AM
Yeah, the causeway doesn't matter in determining if something is an island or not. Also, the Cedar Point causeway has a bridge so it isn't a continuous land connection anyway.

The complicated part is determining if the section with the old Cedar Point road is connected to the mainland. That road is accessed by a short causeway (I think), and it is hard to determine if there is a land connection. Some topo maps show no connection, but aerial photos aren't clear on it.

I always considered it a peninsula, but there may be a narrow water channel cutting it off from the mainland. It might depend on the water level in Sheldon's Marsh.

Click on the black and white photo to see this detail. *** Edited 2/28/2007 3:32:44 PM UTC by millrace***

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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:34 AM
If there were no bridge, that means you'd have to walk through water to get to the place? Unless it's ankle-deep, I'll consider it an island ;)
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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:43 AM
But you guys realize that topography changes over time, particularly when water is related to the space. Where there was once land, it can be washed away. And conversely, where there once was no land, sand & soil can build up creating land. This island versus peninsula discussion is moot, at best.

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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:47 AM
But not if what was once an island is now a penninsula.
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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:50 AM
MOOT. It doesn't matter. It has nothing to do with Johnny Rockets.
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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:51 AM
I don't think it's moot at all. It's fascinating. I think that Cedar Point *used* to be a peninsula and is becoming an island due to erosion in Sheldon's Marsh.

I wonder what it would look like if the Chaussee wasn't lined with houses and didn't have erosion protection. Either the the erosion in Sheldon's Marsh would not be as severe because it wouldn't have to take the brunt of the water action diverted from the erosion-proofed Chaussee, or the entire thing could be a completely different shape, making the island/peninsula question obvious.

Edit: it's more interesting than cheesy fast food restaurants. :) *** Edited 2/28/2007 3:52:29 PM UTC by millrace***

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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:56 AM
No, it doesn't have anything to do with the conversation, but that's where the conversation ended once we were done with Johnny Rockets. If it bothers you, take your interest elsewhere. No one's putting a gun to your head and making you participate here.

Bringing me back to what I said earlier, was Bertrand Island still an island? There was significant land added to extend the island to the mainland, and without the use or any kind of non-land bridge. Did Bertrand Island become Bertrand Penninsula?

*** Edited 2/28/2007 3:57:41 PM UTC by Rob Ascough***

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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 11:14 AM
The Images of America book (also the video) has a picture showing a very small channel of water with a rickety wooden bridge. So part of the area known as Bertrand Island used to be an island. The amusement park was originally built on only the peninsula portion. And then the entire thing became a peninsula when that water channel was filled in for the construction of the roller coaster.

The barren area to the right in this picture is where the amusement park was. The bridge would have been right in the middle of the peninsula. The houses in the wide "island" section were never part of the amusement park.

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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 11:17 AM
I was talking about the island itself, although good points about the amusement park, which I believe was never part of the actual island, right?
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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 11:28 AM
Not really. Maybe a little bit. The far end of the roller coaster, and maybe a few other rides like the carousel and the circle swing might have been located on the island portion, or at least on fill (but a lot of the park was probably built on fill).

The upper parking area was clearly on the island portion, though it wasn't a parking area when it was still an island! This part shows up as a barren field in the "wide" part of the peninsula in the picture linked above. The regular or lower parking area was to the left of the road.

I need an aerial view of this with the condos in place to see how much they "rejiggered" things.

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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 1:24 PM
Have we decided yet what we're going to replace CP's Johnny Rockets with yet?
;)

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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 1:59 PM
Nope. Too busy debating if something is an island or a peninsula. No room for Johnny Rockets discussion in the Johnny Rockets thread.
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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 2:39 PM
Ok, fine.

Cedar Point's Johnny Rocket's would be the perfect place for a Fascination parlor.

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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 2:46 PM
Why not bring in a Japanese influence and make a pachinko parlor?

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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 2:50 PM
Why not set up a hundred DDR machines, and for kicks, have spectators hurl bean bags at the participants. A NEW twist on cornholing! Only at CP!

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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 2:52 PM
If we REALLY want to do something oddball, how 'bout a kareoke bar with sumo wrestling on the side! They would serve SUSHI!

Coaster Junkie from NH
I drive in & out of Boston, so I ride coasters to relax!

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