Is "X" unsafe?

Sunday, December 22, 2002 1:56 PM
Last Sunday I rode X at MM for the first time. I am a 6.3 person and about midway though the ride my left leg traveled over the mid-seat hump to the right side of the seat. Since there is not a belt between my legs and my whole body could slip out the bottom of the ride my call is that this is a major problem. Has anyone else had this problem or is it related to me being a tall person and a larger gap will arise between the seat hump and the arm restrants.
Sunday, December 22, 2002 2:00 PM
Wow, you got it over the seat hump thingy? If I remember correctly, those aren't the easiest things to cross over, but of course it's all due to your size. I have not heard of this happening before, but I could be wrong.

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Sunday, December 22, 2002 2:10 PM
I also heard about X's seats now scraping the floor when they come in the station.
Sunday, December 22, 2002 2:19 PM
I haven't heard of that problem either.. I'm also 6'3" and didn't have any problems what so ever. Who knows what could have caused that... Sorry I couldn't be of any more help.

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Sunday, December 22, 2002 2:28 PM

SteveWoA said:
I also heard about X's seats now scraping the floor when they come in the station.

That is why they added a little guide wheel so that would not happen anymore. They also added some proxy sensors to the seats so they know exactly when a certain row is bending down too much.

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Sunday, December 22, 2002 2:40 PM
Wow, this ride seems to suffer a never ending catalogue of problems, which is a real shame.
Sunday, December 22, 2002 2:49 PM

I *certainly* wouldn't use the word "unsafe". Might consider the theory that there are *still* some bugs that might need to be worked out before S&S rolls out any more of these suckers, but I sure do look forward to more of them, the sooner the better. Hopeful for '04, but I think '05 may be a bit more realistic before we see another 4D....

When you consider the *enormous* leap undertaken with this particular ride, it's not really surprising that the bugs were pretty considerable...;). Still, now that S&S has the 4D technology...good things are on the horizon! Stan won't let us thrillseekers down, he's *one of us*....:)

Sunday, December 22, 2002 3:03 PM
If X was unsafe, then why would it be running 7 days a week?
Sunday, December 22, 2002 3:32 PM

Because it's only one person. Why would Six Flags want to stop operation of a revolutionary ride for one person?

Don't get me wrong jammie, that sounds pretty scary and does sound unsafe, but unless you complain with a lawsuit, Six Flags will do nothing.

By the way, is X's lines still brutal?

*** This post was edited by astrofreak on 12/22/2002. ***

Sunday, December 22, 2002 4:51 PM

I waited about 1hour and a half Sunday, That is not bad and was well worth it. They only had two cars- the third one was tore apart at the station.

As for the word "unsafe" I would use it, I can't sue them because no harm was done. I know the problem would be solved with a simple strap between the legs just like most of this type of straping - Don't get Me wrong- I loved the ride I just think about someone who has limited mobility of the lower half of their body and couldn't support themselves. This has happened a lot to cause injury or death on rides. I just hope someone who has some influence reads this posting. The employees at the park - (after showing them my leg easily slipped over the hump) didn't seam to care. I would love to see these coasters all over, but I believe that this one has a simple problem with the restraints.

Sunday, December 22, 2002 4:54 PM

By the way X is not running 7 days a week, they are only open on the weekends and X is only running occasionally - It was down most of the day Sat.

Sunday, December 22, 2002 5:11 PM
It was open all day today (sunday the 22nd) with only a one hour wait all day! Two train operation. Oh, and SteveWoA - the trains are only scraping the station floor as they are rotated into the upright (loading) position. Not that that makes it okay, but I just wanted to clear that up.
Sunday, December 22, 2002 5:37 PM
Jammie, it sounds like you've discovered the same thing I found out about the Intamin Giant Drop towers. Clearly the problem is too much clearance between the bottom of the shoulder bar and the top of the seat bump. The problem is that if you are tall, the shoulder bar can't come down far enough to secure your thighs.

It doesn't make the ride "unsafe". But it does demonstrate why the shoulder bar may not be as effective as it appears on some of these rides. My suggestion to the engineer when I saw the restraint for the first time was that they should chop off the top of the shoulder bar, just above the safety belt. That way on any rider, the bottom of the bar will always lay against the thighs, and the front of the bar will support the upper body. Unfortunately, I don't think he realized I was serious. :)

I should point out, though, that on X, if you were to slip into the gap between the seat and the bar, the only way you could come all the way out would be if you also slipped your arms through both of the shoulder loops, something which is quite unlikely to happen by accident. So I wouldn't worry about it if I were you. :)

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Sunday, December 22, 2002 5:53 PM

I'm 6'4" and I was getting tossed around in the outside seats near the back of the train. It totally scared the crap out of me so I made use of the short lines and rode it 4 times in one day.

My first ride on X was my best roller coaster experience yet.

Sunday, December 22, 2002 6:20 PM
If you pull the harness down so you are snug, you will not have a problem, no matter your height.
Monday, December 23, 2002 3:42 AM
While not having ridden X, I would think that this is one of those rides where a tight restraint would be better than a loose one. With all the tumbling this thing does, X is one of those rides. Other rides in this category include the Vekoma Flyers.

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Monday, December 23, 2002 7:47 AM
I was at SFMM on Sunday the 22nd (1 hour wait all day?!? I never waited more than 25 minutes to ride it!) and I had the exact same problem. I'm only 6'2", and I never experienced it on the skydive drop or the raven turns. The only time I had this happen was on the half-flip-twist bits before the final raven turn and before the final brake run.

I'd never noticed this before Sunday, though this Sunday was the first time I ever got up the nerve to ride the ride with my hands up, not hanging onto the restraints for dear life. Coming through those half-flip-twists gave some nice airtime in both cases, and both times I lifted high enough to get my right leg over the hump in the middle of the seat. I didn't settle down that way, I was able to push my right leg back over to the right spot while still floating, but it would *definitely* be possible for me to end up with both legs on one side.

That being said, I *never* felt like I was in any danger of coming out of the ride, and until I read this topic, the safety thought never would have crossed my mind. My biggest concerns still apply to the trains, the design just seems like it would lend itself to the trains tearing themselves to pieces. Speaking of, on the left side of the train (facing towards the back when boarding) has a neat little effect before the first half-flip-twist, I'd never realized that the train leans there, making it feel like those seats are sagging off the train. Scared the hell out of me!

Anyway, I rode it 5 times on Sunday, and 3 times I was lifted out enough to get my leg over. It was much more likely on the element right before the final brake run, I think it happened once on the one before the second raven turn.

I had never waited less than an hour and a half for X, so 20-25 minute waits made safety concerns come a distant second to getting as many rides as I could. I probably would have gone more, but I was freezing my hands & face off :)

Monday, December 23, 2002 8:33 AM
I'm a tall guy, 6'4", and I never felt unsafe at all on X. The upper body restraints were more than adaquite to keep you in. In fact, I would venture to say that even if there was no seat at all, the upper body restraints alone would keep you from falling out.

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*** This post was edited by Soggy on 12/23/2002. ***

Monday, December 23, 2002 8:41 AM
This has happend to me too Jammie. I told the guy my restraint wasnt down enough, and he said hed pull it down, and he never did. The consequence for this was I lost my wallet, and had 40 bucks in it, so I was broke (thank god my cousin had extra money), and I got my wallet sent in the mail like 1 month later, but of course the 40 bucks was magically gone.
Monday, December 23, 2002 8:42 AM
But wait a minute! I though X was suppose to be always breaking down, and so incredibly unreliable, with 4+ lines? And the trains were suppose to have fallen apart by now! How are all these people getting to ride it? ;)

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