Is there such a thing as a long 4D?

Thursday, December 27, 2001 9:27 PM
I watched the X video from TR & noticed the train is travelling slowly on the turn around. Even during construction, the rapid height reduction of the elements explains the short track length.

What I'm saying is the cars are massive - lots of aerodynamic drag & increased friction from the numerous wheel assemblies, gear drives as well as loss of kinetic energy to spin the seats really slow them down.

This means not much more can be added to a layout like X's. Unless it's all on flat land as X's station is some distance above the lowest point of the ride.

I'm eager to see what other wicked elements Arrow can come up with & on an out & back layout, not fig 8 (top view) like X .

Oh, the turn around could be easily ridden in the flying position.

I'm betting the next one will be called the Hammerhead.

(Sorry if this is all confusing, I'm not 100% after watching that video! )

*** This post was edited by Taipan on 12/28/2001. ***

Friday, December 28, 2001 5:39 AM
Yeah I did notice it appeared to be going a bit slow towards the end of the ride.   How to make it longer?  Add a 2'nd lift hill =)
Friday, December 28, 2001 6:15 AM
Jeff's avatar Yeah, but a Flying Dutchman looks "slow" when you're not on it as well, and that's not the case when you're actually on it.

One of the things Bolingbroke mentioned at IAAPA as a possibility was a putting the ride entirely in one plane. Take a long narrow strip of land and put it all in there. Wouldn't that be odd? It would be like a giant pachinko machine!

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Friday, December 28, 2001 7:36 AM
You just have to remember this is the first one. They will build and explaned on it over time.
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Friday, December 28, 2001 7:42 AM
Mamoosh's avatar As I stood in line to ride I, too, thought X looked slow, especially on that high turn.  Looks are deceiving!
Friday, December 28, 2001 7:46 AM
If they want to make a longer 4d, they could the lift taller.
Friday, December 28, 2001 8:00 AM
Wow. Imagine a vertical loop, with the seats remaining upright through the entire inversion. Or the seats flipping while inside a dark tunnel. Or a raven turn immediately followed by an inline twist in the middle of the ride instead of the end. Oh the possibilities.
Can't wait till I can play with the design on RCT 2!
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*** This post was edited by DWeaver on 12/28/2001. ***

Friday, December 28, 2001 11:36 AM
boblogone's avatar Taipan, I wouldn't want to ride any high G manuevers in the 'flying' position in the X saddle. Unlike the FlyingDutchman saddle which has a lapbar and kneebar to support your legs, your legs are unsupported on X and your hips will slide forward crushing your pelvic region into the seat hump and pulling on your lower back in any g-laden 'flying' position moves. All the moves on X where you are facing the ground the train is headed in that direction also, first hill, downsides of Raven turns etc.

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