Is it possible?

Monday, June 26, 2000 10:53 PM
I have a question. I was wondering if a certain element VERY popular with inverted coasters, could be cloned to work on a non-inverted coaster. I'm not even sure if it already has been cloned. Since I don't know the name of this element, I'll have to describe it. On Raptor (CP), it's the inversion immediately after the vertical loop. You know that barrell roll looking thing. I believe it also follows the first vertical loop on Batman (SFMM) also for you SoCal folks. I absolutely love this inversion. Yes, even more than the ever so popular cobra roll. I would think this couldn't be done on a non-inverted coaster but I could be wrong. I have no evidence whatsoever to back it up. Just seems wrong for coasters other than inverts.
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Monday, June 26, 2000 11:47 PM
I could see it being possible on a floorless coaster but that might be a stretch. You are probably referring to the Zero-G-Roll. *** This post was edited by Chitown on 6/27/2000. ***
Tuesday, June 27, 2000 5:39 AM
You'll find it on I think both Medusa's, and I could have swarn that Kumba had one too.

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Tuesday, June 27, 2000 5:46 AM
Kumba has one. It is a great inversion.
Tuesday, June 27, 2000 6:32 AM
Kumba, Kraken, Medusa (East and West), Dragon Kahn, Superman Krypton Coaster, Incredible Hulk (Kind of) and there may be others. All B&Ms.
Tuesday, June 27, 2000 6:59 AM
Speaking of elements and their names...
Is there a site that defines, and possibly illustrates, the various elements?

Tuesday, June 27, 2000 8:23 AM
Those are the ones that have the zero-g camelback hump. There are other rides that have barrel rolls, but that's not quite the same element.

DangerousDan, there is a page on in the features section and then the Track Elements section that explains some elements, and tries to use Roller Coaster Tycoon track to show the elements, but some of them are not 100% accurate. Anyone else have a better page for this? I am interested to find one too.
Tuesday, June 27, 2000 1:24 PM
They are almost the same element but not really.
An Invert is below the track before and is above the track in the middle of Zero G-Roll
A floorless or Sitdown starts above the track and is below the track during a barrel roll.
If a floorless were to the follow the track of an inverts zero-g-roll It would have to invert itself prior to entering the roll upright itself during the roll and then upright itself again after the roll. This could be a cool double inversion.
Top Gun(PCA) has one
Duling Dragons Ice also has one.
Also All of the Vekoma SLC's have one as well but not as tight as a B&M.

This is done by a short climb folowed by an in line twist and then a short drop. B&M does it to perfection. If it does not have hills before and after it is just an in line twist.

#1 Steel-Incredible Hulk
#1 Wood--Timber Wolf
Tuesday, June 27, 2000 1:34 PM
Yes, T-Wolf, most B&M inverted coasters have this element, but the question was about non-inverted coasters containing this element...
Also I would say that the camelback zero-g roll is the same element whether it is executed on an inverted or non-inverted track.
Tuesday, June 27, 2000 2:33 PM
Like I said on a Non-inverted track the train is above-below-above
Inverted below-above-Below
They are slightly different in this sense. They feel different as well.
In my opinion a barrel roll on a sitdown(ie Hulk, Kraken) gives much more airtime than an inverts zero-g-roll(BTR, Top Gun).

#1 Steel-Incredible Hulk
#1 Wood--Timber Wolf
Tuesday, June 27, 2000 2:49 PM
No doubt they feel different. My point is that a cobra roll is a cobra roll whether it is done on Raptor or Kumba, same as the element in question.

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