Inverted Hypers possible?

Monday, September 17, 2001 11:44 AM
I've given this a lot of thought and I wonder if this could become a possibility. I've kinda thought out the restraints. They could be like OTSRs but kinda slide into a slot on the train. I know thats hard to imagine but I think it would work. The g's wouldn't be too high(i think) and the restraints would still allow for some airtime. What do you people think?

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Monday, September 17, 2001 11:58 AM
Well, if you put silly definitions aside, I tend to consider Alpengeist a near-hyper. With regards to G's, height and speed don't cause G's as much rapid changes in direction. As many have mentioned before, a 50-foot Schwarzkopf Wildcat pulls more G's than Millennium Force at six times the height.

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Monday, September 17, 2001 12:01 PM
Alpengeist is already within 5 feet of being a hyper.  It really doesn't require any new technogy.  However,  the speeds of a hyper are kind of incompatible with the inversions normal for an inverted coaster.  Alpengeist deals with this by climbing part way back up the hill before it does a lot of its inversions. 
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Monday, September 17, 2001 12:12 PM
Isn't Vekoma going to build Odyssey, a 265-foot hyper inverted?
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Monday, September 17, 2001 12:17 PM
I couldn't feel the extra Gs on wildcat but either way, they're both good rides. MF is fast, and Wildcat is fun! Jeff, where do the more G's happen on Wildcat?
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Monday, September 17, 2001 12:24 PM
What do you mean the speeds are incompatible with the inversions normal for an inverted coaster!  Like Jeff said, g's are more caused by rapid changes in direction rather than speed and height.  Do you think that all inversions are the same size? All you would have to do is make the inversions equal to the size and speed ratio.  Notice that since Alpengeist is nearly a hyper, that B&M has made it's inversions very large! 
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Monday, September 17, 2001 12:35 PM
Yes Vekoma is building a hyper inverted but I'm not sure where. I'm sure it will be very rough though and I heard it was 205 and not 265.

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Monday, September 17, 2001 12:54 PM
Well 5 feet more and "Alpengeist" would be a Inverted-Hyper!!
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Monday, September 17, 2001 1:14 PM
i heard that it will be 265 feet high and feature a 200 foot loop.  and it's at fantasy island i think.
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Monday, September 17, 2001 1:46 PM
http://www.rcdb.com/installationdetail1413.htm says its height will be 265 feet/80 meters tall
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Monday, September 17, 2001 2:40 PM
how about an inverted with a hyper lay out and no inversons. it would have steep drops, airtime hills and a great helix
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Monday, September 17, 2001 4:08 PM
Right on sfmm15, that's what I meant but I forgot to say it.

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Monday, September 17, 2001 4:27 PM

XL-Force2000 said:
What do you mean the speeds are incompatible with the inversions normal for an inverted coaster!  Like Jeff said, g's are more caused by rapid changes in direction rather than speed and height.  Do you think that all inversions are the same size? All you would have to do is make the inversions equal to the size and speed ratio.  Notice that since Alpengeist is nearly a hyper, that B&M has made it's inversions very large! 
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The barrier is not G-forces, it's the cost of building inversions of enormous size.  It would be easy to wind up with a coaster in the Steel Dragon cost category.  If you study the layout of Alpengeist, you will see that it uses the terrain to place most of the inversions at an elevation considerably higher than the lowest point.  This allows the inversions to not be too enormous,  though they are pretty big.

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Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:18 AM
Something more like a big BBW would intrest me more, it seems more realistic as far as having a "hyper layout" or even something new in ride experience, if anybody was to really want one. A 150foot drop into some turns, topped off with a 200 foot drop near the end(we'd have to stop sometime!), the feeling would be undescribable. An invert seems too natural to go upside down, IMO. Put the BBW on stereroids, that would be it, but there's issues, like as to why the suspendeds aren't built now, and it's probaly a maintaining thing, and at 200 foot with some speed, it may be near impossible.......
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Tuesday, September 18, 2001 8:10 AM
Jim: I'm not sure I follow. Alpengeist, as best as I can tell, has the largest inversions of any B&M inverter. The supports are nothing short of huge. And even then, why would the ride cost something on order of Steel Dragon. Aside from being 300-feet tall, that ride's expense likely has more to do with the massive structure to combat earthquakes and typhoons.

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