Intamin haters...

Yeah, I'm sure the reason El Toro is having problems is because it's at a Six Flags park. No Intamin coaster has ever had any trouble at a non-Six Flags park.

-Nate

I was aware that there may have been issues with the lift and it took a while to get that second train on there.

But if the ride is running 100% fine now, is it totally impossible to think it WAS an issue on SF's part?

Again...Impulse-ive said they can't get it to run like it's supposed to and as far as I know it's running fine. Maybe he knows something we don't.

^^ Nate....for God's sake give us a winky... ;)

Of course,. I'm ASSUMING Nate was being sarcastic... :)

When am I ever not sarcastic? ;) ;) ;) (how's that?)

:)

-Nate
*** Edited 7/3/2006 4:41:45 PM UTC by coasterdude318***

Okay, lets put this into perspective.

"They can't get a WOODEN COASTER to run correctly"

Well, the main problems, now, reside in the cable lift. No other wooden coaster has a cable lift system, so how can you compare them to coasters from the 20's?

Everyone says that "B&M is more safe, and the best bet," but what "revolutionary" element have they brought to the coaster world that isnt related to a new train type being put onto the same old track that has been designed before.

B&M has *never* designed into the concept of launches, or water rides, or what not. Intamin's reliability issues do not reside in their non-cable lift, normal coasters, but in the coasters that contain launches, or involve other elements that are more than just rails, chain, and brakes.

I am not saying Intamin is perfect, because they are far from it, but people put the comparisons of B&M and Intamin past the logical thinking, and comparison of the actual product itself.

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Rctycoon2k said:
Intamin's reliability issues do not reside in their non-cable lift, normal coasters

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I'm not an expert on the issue but I'm sure this is highly, highly disputable.

And I think the cable-lift-on-a-woodie issue is a little bit silly, as well. I mean, wouldn't it have been Intamin's decision to go with the cable lift in the first place? I'm sure SFGAdv could have trumped that decision if they wanted to but I think we can feel safe in blaming Intamin delivering a ride system that obviously isn't as perfected as a traditional chain-lift.

I understand the cable lift on MF, I think I would need someone to explain the benefits on El Toro. *** Edited 7/3/2006 10:25:00 PM UTC by matt.*** *** Edited 7/3/2006 10:25:23 PM UTC by matt.***

Cable lift systems actually predate chain lifts in the history of woodies.

Maybe there's a reason cables didn't hang around once the chain idea caught on. :)

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Rctycoon2k said:
Okay, lets put this into perspective.

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Intamin's reliability issues do not reside in their non-cable lift, normal coasters, but in the coasters that contain launches, or involve other elements that are more than just rails, chain, and brakes.

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Try telling that to anyone who saw two trains on the lift hill at the same time on SFA's S:ROS, a coaster that is "just rails, chains, and brakes."

And for B&M "not innovating" do you remember coasters before the first B:TR? The first one of those was like turning a shark loose in a minnow tank.

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Rctycoon2k said:

B&M has *never* designed into the concept of launches, or water rides, or what not.

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They haven't? What about the Incredible Hulk at IOA?

^ Universal handled that part outside of B&M's contract for the coaster design...

P.S. Really like prabe's "shark loose in a minnow tank" analogy... :)

*** Edited 7/4/2006 5:32:51 AM UTC by rollergator***

I do, too. Frankly, inverted coasters are probably the most important innovation of the past 15 years or so. That being said, the fact that B&M brought us such a ride that was SO ferocious, and SO aggresive the first time out of the gate just goes to show you that at least at *some point* B&M really did have some serious cojones when it comes to their math....

And yet (drat it all) I haven't been on a B:TR yet. Three other B&M inverts, but no B:TR.

Oh comma well.

My last visit to a B:TR was SFGAdv's last year and the thing was on fire. I mean just flat out demonic. The only other that I've ridden that was that messed up was SFMM's but that was only ride, no idea if it's always like that. One of those rides that as soon as you hit the brakes you just gotta kinda.....exhale. *** Edited 7/4/2006 4:19:50 PM UTC by matt.***

That's the one I'm most likely to get a chance at, as I only live about four or five hours away from SFGAdv. There are other things I there I want to do, too.

B:TR at Gadv still packs a punch nearly 15 years iafter its been built.& up until KK & El Toro were built and distracted by them, it drew lines more than an hour long, and still does when its crowded. The b&Ms designed by Stengel seem to have a bit more bite to them.

I love the Batman rides. Something about the last few turns makes my legs feel weak. Not many coasters are capable of doing that. There's a reason why it's so popular after so many years!

Strange to think that the one at Great Adventure has been there almost as long as Lightning Loops, which once occupied the same spot.