Inclined loop an inversion?

An inclined loop like the 3rd inversion on Mantis(for those of you who dont know what it is) is not a real inversion right? Because at the top its not 180 degrees its like an oooooover banked helix.

Anybdoy else think the same?

I was thinking about this last night. If it is considered an inversion (which it is), I think that all of the dives on Flashback at SFMM should be inversions. They are banked about the same!
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*** This post was edited by CsTrFrK on 2/16/2002. ***

I think it wouldn't be an inversion because the Thriller (NL) goes thru about three of them and only has lap bars. But I could be wrong...

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CsTrFrK but are they roller over at 180 degrees, isnt thats whats consider upside-down or an inversion?

It is an inversion. As long as it's banked over 90 degrees. It just a matter of whether everyone considers it an inversion. MF'S 1st Hammerhead element is techincally an inversion. But not consider by us an inversion.

It's whatever you think it is...

Honestly, does it really matter?

SFNE Freak said:
I think it wouldn't be an inversion because the Thriller (NL) goes thru about three of them and only has lap bars. But I could be wrong...
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Hey... ummmm smart guy, there are many rides that have inversions with only lap bars. Check out www.lagoonpark .com for an example...;)

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Mindbender at SFoG has an inclined loop as it's 3rd "inversion". I say it's an inversion if the manufacturer calls it one.
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I agree with whoever said beyond 90 degrees. That's just my own personal definition. So, inclined loops and overbanked turns I do view as inversions. For me, I don't have to be completely upside down to be inverted.
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I still consider "over-banked" turns inversions. If my head is pointed more at the ground than it is the sky, well, I feel inverted! ;)

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Wasn't the argument du jour when MF came out? I think it was decided then that there are two basic camps on the subject.

The first group believes anything over 90 degrees (the point where your feet become higher than your head) is an inversion.

The second believes you have do go a full 180 degrees before you can call it an inversion.

I happen to be of the group who doesn't waste time on such petty concerns and just enjoys coasters and riding them. :)

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*** This post was edited by Lord Gonchar on 2/16/2002. ***

I think, a complete inversion must contain a full 360^, and you must go beyond 90^. For instance, a heartline roll goes 360 horizontally, a vertical loop does it vertically, a corkscrew does it vertically and laterally and so on. An inclined loop does it vertically, with a slight bump of the track to one site. No denying that you are upside down, and complete 360^.

Millennium Force therefor arent inversions in my opinion. Sure, you are upside down, or inverted. But you don't complete the 360^ - which in itself makes an inversion what it is.

If I said Millennium Force were an inversion, you'd also have to include all those old Schwarzkopf loopers - their first drops often have the riders baked more than 90^ during the first drop (no, I'm not saying Schwarzkopf loopers don't invert in the vertical loops or loopscrews).

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So what if the best coaster in Australia is a second hand Arrow?

Just out of curiosity, auscoasterman, do you consider the cutback on the late Drachen Fire an inversion?

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Well, I must admit, you've probably stumped me there. I could go on, saying it is a hybrid element, made up of two "Half Corkscrews" in oposing directions, but thats really what MF's turns are about.

I think I might be willing to call DF's cutback an exception. I haven't ridden Drachen Fire, nor have I ridden Millennium Force, but to me, DF's cutback might feel more like an inversion that MF's turns.

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So what if the best coaster in Australia is a second hand Arrow?

...agrees with the definition where if I look "up" and see"down", I feel inverted. But then again, the manufacturer is probably the true judge. I always considered inclined loops inversions. Lap bars have more to do with a feeling of security than with ACTUAL safety...I think if B&R:TC can have laps, virtually anything can!
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It's got to be, cause why would it be called a loop then? ;)
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Argh. Haven't we done this and S:TE enough already? We'll never agree and it doesn't "really" matter.
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