Imagineers propose a new Epcot futureworld

Wednesday, February 26, 2003 6:21 AM
Some very big changes have been proposed for Epcot. This seems like a drastic change that may upset many of the traditional guests. As an enthusiast I'd love to see this happen, but what would the general public think?

Details here for "Project Gemini"
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Wednesday, February 26, 2003 6:25 AM
Hey, looks like a California Soarin'-type ride and coaster in there. Neat!

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Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:22 AM
I will just have to wait and see if what all Jim Hill is saying about Project Gemini is right. He has be wrong before so just wait and see what is going to happen.
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Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:29 AM
I don't believe Jim has ever been wrong just because he says they're planning something that doesn't happen. You would never believe how well connected he is. His sources are accurate, it's just that Disney constantly changes their mind, and nothing is in stone until the acountanteers have hacked their way through a project.
What he is saying is 100% accurate... this IS a plan that Imagineering has PROPOSED. He makes no claim it's going to be built as described.
Sounds cool though. Hope the inverter is a Beemer and not SLC, though I'd doubt it based on their past work with Vekoma.... 4 of the 5 coasters at DisneylandParis are Vekomas.
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Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:53 AM
I think its going to happen, but only AFTER Disney rapes the budget and slashes half of the improvements... ;)
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Wednesday, February 26, 2003 8:35 AM

coasterrod said:
As an enthusiast I'd love to see this happen, but what would the general public think?

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I'm not asking if you think it will happen. I realize this will probably be radically changed before anything happens. How do you think the general public would react to such a major change?




*** This post was edited by coasterrod 2/26/2003 1:37:54 PM ***
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Wednesday, February 26, 2003 9:05 AM

coasterrod said:


I'm not asking if you think it will happen.


That's okay, I'll give you my opinion anyway.

It's going to happen, but not as grandly as proposed. There will be a lot of outcry from WDW fans about the removal of SSE and the Wonders of Life pavillion. People will also complain about Living Seas being trashed (more than it has already). Whatever happens still has to be approved, and as I hear it, since it's such a huge project it's going all the way up to Ei$ner.

We'll end up seeing Time Racers and Little Mermaid decals plastered on the viewing windows of the Living Seas and that'll be about it, in my opinion.

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Wednesday, February 26, 2003 9:18 AM
Generally, I like the proposed changes. Yes, some "Disney-must-never-change" fanatics will think this is like burning a cross but I think most of the ideas make sense.

I printed a map of the new Discoveryland off Jim's website.

My two cents:

Wonders of Life always seemed out of place and looked like it was thrown together. Cute show inside but I won't miss it.

Jr. Autopia in front of Test Track. Well, it makes sense for the kiddies but it will look out of place. Won't bother me much.

Time Racers replacing SSE. Good change and doesn't eliminate the Epcot icon.

Under the Sea/Mermaid changes. One of the bad proposals in my opinion. I don't think that there is a screaming need for chacters in Epcot pavilions and I bet they could be more creative with that The Living Seas.

Soarin to The Land. Good move.

Rainforest Rollercoaster. I'd rather see a Mt. Fuji type coaster but, if done right, this might turn out ok.

The Hedge Maze. Again, won't really hurt anything.

The addition of 100's of trees. I like this aspect the most. I do think Epcot is too concrete, especially for a park of that magnitude. This would be a welcome change in my opinion.

Over all, I like the ideas. Could use a little tweaking. However, when Michael gets his hands on it there will be too much tweaking and it won't resemble what is being proposed.

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Wednesday, February 26, 2003 9:36 AM
I was just realizing that by doing away with SSE then the Energy Pavillion will be the only remaining Educational Animatronic Dark Rides that were once the heart of the FutureWorld Vision.

Spaceship Earth
Energy Pavillion
Horizons (not there on opening day, but in the plans all along)
World of Motion
Imagination (a few Figment animatronics are back now, but it's hardly an animatronic spectacular as it once was)

Sadly, I think Energy was the crappiest of all these.. it would've been my first choice for the chopping block (Specifically, the Ellen Degeneres animatronic would be my FIRST choice for the chopping block... and I'd like to wield the knife!)

I adored these rides as a kid, and sure wish they were still around. However, I could never argue that things like Test Track and Mission:Space don't connect with audiences in a more 'now' way than 20 minute edutainment ride-throughs.

I feel some certainty that if they spend the money to gut Spaceship Earth they're going to replace it with something spectacular indeed.

The thing that makes me happiest about all this is the idea that we could finally be rid of that horrible Mickey Hand on SSE.

On a side note, I work with some folks who were part of Disney Design Group in Orlando when that was created (It was not an Imagineering thing.) They claim that there were some incredibly cool looking overlays proposed but the merchandise dept. forced them to do the Mickey hand so they could sell more crap with Mickey on it.
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Wednesday, February 26, 2003 9:43 AM
Personally, I will miss SSE greatly. But, as much as it pains me to say it, it's time has come to go. It's still the most ridden attraction in the world (more people pass through it than any other in the world supposedly, although, I think that may be theoretical capacity when they say that) but no amount of updating will save it.

Spaceship Earth is quite possibly my all-time favorite non-thrill attraction anywhere, but as Walt Disney said "Disneyland will never be finished" and neither should his Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow. With constant change comes the loss of old favorites and the acquisition of new ones. You'll only hear me gripe if it turns out to be a disaster like JII w/Figment is (ugh!).

As for the Mickey hand, I agree... it's an eyesore. It was all fine and dandy for the Millennium Celebration, but now it's gotta go. I think it would be tolerable had they used the contempory Epcot logo (the colorful one), but the script that they decided to go for, in my opinion, just looks like mouse poo.

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Wednesday, February 26, 2003 9:53 AM
I'm not sure Walt would appreciate EPCOT being called 'his'

It would more appropriately be called EWFOY (Experimental World's Fair of Yesterday)

Hmm. Mouse poo. Yeah I can see that.
Or maybe mouse vomit?

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Wednesday, February 26, 2003 11:16 AM

I don't think that there is a screaming need for chacters in Epcot pavilions

Remember that Disney is the Master of the Cross-Marketing Campaign. Sure, the Star Wars franchise can do it once every few years, but Disney does it constantly. For example, my brother the marketing dude tells me that Kellog's has signed a deal with Disney to cross-market a new movie (he wouldn't tell me what) with Pop-Tarts.

I would expect that characters will continue to invade the parks. When you can cross-market with yourself, that's called "synergy." In today's merger-happy world, synergy is good.

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Wednesday, February 26, 2003 12:32 PM
I do think that the Epcot ball is outdated, but I do also think that's what makes it great. The nostalgia behind it, people can come back and ride it and remember almost perfectly their previous trip to Disney. It's like childhood itself, full of memories and unforgettable Disney getaways. It honestly pains me that it may very well go. It's like somebody ripped out a part of my early childhood, one of the only parts of childhood I would have had the opportunity to revisit. I personally LOVE Epcot as much as Magic Kingdom and when it comes to the other attractions in Epcot, while they're amusing, none of them, IMO are as great as SSE.

That nostalgia is what puts the icing on the cake in all of Disney's older parks. I think it's unbelievable everytime I ride Pirates of the Carribean that it brings as much joy to me as it did it's very first riders, and it comforts me in knowing that I'm seeing exactly what they saw, virtually nothing has changed, it's like a time machine, and one not to be messed with.

Edit: I know, I am cursed with run-ons.

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Wednesday, February 26, 2003 4:44 PM
I am quite the Disney nut (if you couldn't tell already) and we have discussed this at length on WDW boards and the like.

Yes, A LOT of people are sad that SSE is going away, but it was just too outdated. Time to go. A quote from Walt Disney says that "the parks should always be new and changing" If a park doesn't change, then who is going to go back year after year to see the same things, OTHER than the fanatics (and there aren't enough of those to keep the place running) the General Stupid Guest who doesn't care and wants something new is going to keep it going.

Anyways, I see this going through, with very FEW changes. I don't think Mr. Eisner is long for this company. I see him gone in 2 to 3 years. By that time things can change, and I don't see this project getting off the ground until then. And it won't be completley done for about 5 years from the start of actual "work" Mission Space is a good start to the revitalization of EPCOT. The compay knows in order too keep the intrest alive they have to go balls to the wall, which they might just do.

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Wednesday, February 26, 2003 4:47 PM
Epcot desperately needed a facelift. The only good thing in there was Test Track. Maybe I'll spend more than 30 minutes in that park now! lol

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Friday, February 28, 2003 9:38 AM
The idea is great. But there needs one more thing to be added to "Discoverland." Construct a giant golf club behind Spaceship Earth! lol

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Friday, February 28, 2003 1:39 PM

I think this is going to be good. I don't really care about spaceship earth because I went on it 2 years ago when i was 14 and so to me it was a stupid ride because I was so old. I can see people missing it because of the childhood(pirates of the carribean). I hope epcot goes through and updates thier park
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