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*** This post was edited by coasterrod 2/26/2003 11:23:22 AM ***
*** This post was edited by janfrederick 2/26/2003 11:26:07 AM ***
As an enthusiast I'd love to see this happen, but what would the general public think?
I'm not asking if you think it will happen. I realize this will probably be radically changed before anything happens. How do you think the general public would react to such a major change?
I'm not asking if you think it will happen.
That's okay, I'll give you my opinion anyway.
It's going to happen, but not as grandly as proposed. There will be a lot of outcry from WDW fans about the removal of SSE and the Wonders of Life pavillion. People will also complain about Living Seas being trashed (more than it has already). Whatever happens still has to be approved, and as I hear it, since it's such a huge project it's going all the way up to Ei$ner.
We'll end up seeing Time Racers and Little Mermaid decals plastered on the viewing windows of the Living Seas and that'll be about it, in my opinion.
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*** This post was edited by Michael Darling 2/26/2003 2:06:23 PM ***
I printed a map of the new Discoveryland off Jim's website.
My two cents:
Wonders of Life always seemed out of place and looked like it was thrown together. Cute show inside but I won't miss it.
Jr. Autopia in front of Test Track. Well, it makes sense for the kiddies but it will look out of place. Won't bother me much.
Time Racers replacing SSE. Good change and doesn't eliminate the Epcot icon.
Under the Sea/Mermaid changes. One of the bad proposals in my opinion. I don't think that there is a screaming need for chacters in Epcot pavilions and I bet they could be more creative with that The Living Seas.
Soarin to The Land. Good move.
Rainforest Rollercoaster. I'd rather see a Mt. Fuji type coaster but, if done right, this might turn out ok.
The Hedge Maze. Again, won't really hurt anything.
The addition of 100's of trees. I like this aspect the most. I do think Epcot is too concrete, especially for a park of that magnitude. This would be a welcome change in my opinion.
Over all, I like the ideas. Could use a little tweaking. However, when Michael gets his hands on it there will be too much tweaking and it won't resemble what is being proposed.
Horizons (not there on opening day, but in the plans all along)
World of Motion
Imagination (a few Figment animatronics are back now, but it's hardly an animatronic spectacular as it once was)
Sadly, I think Energy was the crappiest of all these.. it would've been my first choice for the chopping block (Specifically, the Ellen Degeneres animatronic would be my FIRST choice for the chopping block... and I'd like to wield the knife!)
I adored these rides as a kid, and sure wish they were still around. However, I could never argue that things like Test Track and Mission:Space don't connect with audiences in a more 'now' way than 20 minute edutainment ride-throughs.
I feel some certainty that if they spend the money to gut Spaceship Earth they're going to replace it with something spectacular indeed.
The thing that makes me happiest about all this is the idea that we could finally be rid of that horrible Mickey Hand on SSE.
On a side note, I work with some folks who were part of Disney Design Group in Orlando when that was created (It was not an Imagineering thing.) They claim that there were some incredibly cool looking overlays proposed but the merchandise dept. forced them to do the Mickey hand so they could sell more crap with Mickey on it.
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*** This post was edited by ThemeDesigner 2/26/2003 2:39:47 PM ***
Spaceship Earth is quite possibly my all-time favorite non-thrill attraction anywhere, but as Walt Disney said "Disneyland will never be finished" and neither should his Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow. With constant change comes the loss of old favorites and the acquisition of new ones. You'll only hear me gripe if it turns out to be a disaster like JII w/Figment is (ugh!).
As for the Mickey hand, I agree... it's an eyesore. It was all fine and dandy for the Millennium Celebration, but now it's gotta go. I think it would be tolerable had they used the contempory Epcot logo (the colorful one), but the script that they decided to go for, in my opinion, just looks like mouse poo.
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*** This post was edited by Michael Darling 2/26/2003 2:46:22 PM ***
It would more appropriately be called EWFOY (Experimental World's Fair of Yesterday)
Hmm. Mouse poo. Yeah I can see that.
Or maybe mouse vomit?
Pun is the death of wit.
I don't think that there is a screaming need for chacters in Epcot pavilions
Remember that Disney is the Master of the Cross-Marketing Campaign. Sure, the Star Wars franchise can do it once every few years, but Disney does it constantly. For example, my brother the marketing dude tells me that Kellog's has signed a deal with Disney to cross-market a new movie (he wouldn't tell me what) with Pop-Tarts.
I would expect that characters will continue to invade the parks. When you can cross-market with yourself, that's called "synergy." In today's merger-happy world, synergy is good.
That nostalgia is what puts the icing on the cake in all of Disney's older parks. I think it's unbelievable everytime I ride Pirates of the Carribean that it brings as much joy to me as it did it's very first riders, and it comforts me in knowing that I'm seeing exactly what they saw, virtually nothing has changed, it's like a time machine, and one not to be messed with.
Edit: I know, I am cursed with run-ons.
Warning: I do not think like the average person. My remarks have plenty of thought behind them. Take it for what it's worth, if you disagree, please, feel free to express it, but don't put me down because of it.
*** This post was edited by SFGAMDie HARD 2/26/2003 5:33:57 PM ***
Yes, A LOT of people are sad that SSE is going away, but it was just too outdated. Time to go. A quote from Walt Disney says that "the parks should always be new and changing" If a park doesn't change, then who is going to go back year after year to see the same things, OTHER than the fanatics (and there aren't enough of those to keep the place running) the General Stupid Guest who doesn't care and wants something new is going to keep it going.
Anyways, I see this going through, with very FEW changes. I don't think Mr. Eisner is long for this company. I see him gone in 2 to 3 years. By that time things can change, and I don't see this project getting off the ground until then. And it won't be completley done for about 5 years from the start of actual "work" Mission Space is a good start to the revitalization of EPCOT. The compay knows in order too keep the intrest alive they have to go balls to the wall, which they might just do.
Universal Studios, check
whats next? MM!!!
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