If you owned Arrow....

What would you have done differently to any of their coasters? For example, if you know something that you do not like in particular about one or all of their rides, what would you do to change it?

Well on Shockwave I would take out either the 2nd or 3rd loop and center the other one, and I'd bank the turn into the midcourse brake. Other than that the only other Arrow corkscrew coaster I've ridden that I can remember is Demon and that is simply perfect.

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I would have spent more time reasurching, testing, and improving the 4d before i built x i think they were in a bad finnancial situation and just rushed the ride hoping every park in th world would want one and it would bring the company back .but instead by rushing x they have shown to the world that they put out a expensive, unreliable product so if x does not start opperationg and at full capasity with verry little brak downs the ride hurt and not helped arrow.Imagin if they would have mabe waited a year and done the 4d right in about 4 years 4d's probobly would be as widespread as the florless but now x might be the last arrow 4d. but who knows mabe arrow could merge with intamin that would save the 4d

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I know that I would definitely get new cars for the coasters, even Magnum. I find them to be extremely uncomfortable and not very ergonomically designed for a roller coaster. They are also very tight cars, especially if you have long legs. Although I never went on it, I think Drachen Fire's problem was the result of poor car design. Improve the cars and I'll bet the ride would improve A LOT.

I think the question isn't valid. Arrow has essentially been a half-dozen different companies in the last 40 years with different directions, management and priorities.

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I agree Vipper. But I think Magnum is the one most hurting for new trains. If Arrow's coasters weren't so rough they'd be right there with B&M's. They have some masterpieces (like PKI's Vortex IMO) but most of their coasters I have ridden seem to be rough and jerky, and I suspect the cars have a bit to do with that.

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I think in the late 80s I would have started to think outside the box a little more. Sure, they were moving into the mega-loopers, but basically they weren't doing anything different except increasing the size of the hills.

I would have explored the possibilities of different sized elements, new elements, etc. They started this with Drachen Fire but by that time B&M was already starting to take over for them as top coaster manufacturer.

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Maggie is not rough, it's forceful. Sure it slams you into the restraint but ride any PTC train, they do the same thing.

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If I owned Arrow, my hair would probably be grey and I probably would have a pretty "helathy" ulcer going at this point. But I am quite the "worry-wart."

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Jeff said:

I think the question isn't valid. Arrow has essentially been a half-dozen different companies in the last 40 years with different directions, management and priorities.
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While that is true, most Arrow coasters are very alike, design wise. What I mean is that it is generally easy to identify a roller coaster designed by Arrow. IMO, Gemini is the only Arrow coaster I have ridden that I didn't know they had designed. Granted, I do not have all that many coasters on my track record but as much studying as I have done, I can usually identify an Arrow after riding one. If it helps, what about their style would you change if you could do so?

*** This post was edited by Vipper on 7/24/2002. ***

Each coaster manufacturer has their style. All the B&Ms seem the same, just with a different train.

I would have taken less than 20 years to change loop sizes.

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But it wasn't necessary, Peabody. By having a "standard" loop size, it probably cut costs a great deal and not too many potential riders were considering the loop size as a factor into enjoyment of the ride.

I think I've said this before, but I find the tight Arrow loops much more fun than the huge B&M loops that you seem to float through. (and I find the more round Schwarzkopf loops that feature high G's even more fun than the Arrow loops)

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