If Grizzly at PGA gets new trains will it help?

Tuesday, September 4, 2001 9:21 PM
I was just wondering because I actually kind of like the ride...yes, I admit it I like Grizzly...but anyways maybe with some new trains and some retracking do you think we can have a good ride on our hands?

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Tuesday, September 4, 2001 9:39 PM
It would be very much impossible. If you did not seem to notice, The Grizzly has a lot of WIDE, FLAT, and UN-BANKED turn-arounds as well as a tame track layout. Even with new trains (which in part should reduce roughness), the ride will still be slow, due to the flaw saturated design. The second hill is nearly as tall as the first drop and that itself is a sign of poor design. And if you watch the ride run, the trains seem as if they are desperately trying to hang onto the top of hill in order to make it over. And when the train DOES make it over, it rolls through the turns at speeds no more than 10 MPH, the same speed you achieve by a light jogging. I personally want this ride to be removed for something with more potential to replace it.
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Tuesday, September 4, 2001 9:49 PM
So then I guess PGA thinks it isn't worth fixing up the ol' girl? :)

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Tuesday, September 4, 2001 10:06 PM
A little retracking would help more.  Notice the first turnaround on Ghostrider (it dips, then rises).  That changes the speeds a little in the turns, which is really what woodies are about.  The CHANGES in speed are even more important IMO than the raw speed you could get with a steelie...
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Wednesday, September 5, 2001 2:53 AM
Actually a little re-profiling may help the overall ride but new trains in its current state won't improve the ride experience at all.

I despise Morgan wood coaster trains (except the ones on SCBB's Giant Dipper, which are awesome). The best thing that PGA can do is tear down Grizzly and start over again.

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Wednesday, September 5, 2001 4:07 AM
I love the unbanked turns. Did anyone ride Rolling Thunder here? There are no banked turns on it at all, and the last one it whips through. But if it goes 10 MPH through the turn, then they should make it smaller. They should either raise the lifthill (if possible) and keep the ride the same, or make the turns and hills smaller, and keep the lifthill the same size. Then it may be more enjoyable.

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Wednesday, September 5, 2001 6:21 AM
If I recall correctly, Grizzly was dead last on Mitch Hawker's wooden coaster poll for 2000. The CCI "diving turnarounds" are awesome, but the chances of having Grizzly reprofiled into a good ride are zero. I wouldn't say tear it down, I hate to see coasters go away for any reason. (Windjammer was the exception to that rule) But if PGA does not have the room for 2 woodies, yank the Grizzly and get a CCI. California needs another CCI!!

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*** This post was edited by Soggy on 9/5/2001. ***

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Wednesday, September 5, 2001 11:29 AM
I agree, Grizzly is pretty sorry. I was watching it and it looked like it was stuggling to get over the second hill. I say get the coaster a new design instead of trains
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Wednesday, September 5, 2001 2:26 PM
I have seen the ride alot and my dad and sister say its no good, that is why I haven't rode it. I don't understand why it can't be great if a mirrior Image kicks butt at PCW, PKD!
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Wednesday, September 5, 2001 4:46 PM
When it first opened in 1885, it was Ok. But over the years, the roughness took away whatever fun was to be had. I think PGA has plenty of room for new coasters, but that would be a great site for a CCI.
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Wednesday, September 5, 2001 4:50 PM
See, that's the problem. If it were an exact clone of PCW or PKD's version, it would definitely rock. But some Einstein in upper management at the time decided Great America needed a modified family version, void of any airtime, speed, or excitement. Nothing even close to the original at PKD. PGA has absolutely no space for expansion, Fizzly sucks and new trains aren't gonna help a weak lame design, it definitely needs to go to make room for something worth riding. 
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Wednesday, September 5, 2001 4:51 PM
1885? Why, no wonder it's so bad...(sarcasm ends)
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Wednesday, September 5, 2001 5:08 PM
PGA has plenty of room for a new wooden coaster, just take a look at what Indiana Beach did with Cornball Express.  They could weave a new coaster in and out of several locations within the park, it just takes some creativity. As for Grizzly, sure it sucks, but leave it alone. As long as it runs and doesn't hurt anybody, all you have to do is walk right by it.
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Wednesday, September 5, 2001 5:53 PM
How much would it cost to retrack Grizzly and get new cars?

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Wednesday, September 5, 2001 5:59 PM
DWeaver said "PGA has plenty of room for a new wooden coaster"

Well, apparently not according to Paramount. Every year since they've taken over PGA, they've ripped out at least 1 or 2, sometimes up to 3 classic rides each year to put in new stuff. Which would be fine with me if the replacements were quality world class attractions, but they're not. Ripping out numerous rides year after year doesn't sound to me like a park that has plenty of room.

Personally I would have much preferred they instead ripped out Fizzly to make the needed space for Invertigo and Stealth, and kept the awesome and unique Intamin Triple Wheel and Arrow Hydro Flume, rides I miss MUCH more than I ever would Fizzly.

*** This post was edited by Draco on 9/5/2001. ***

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