IAAPA vs. Markey: CBS Early Show

This is going to be good.I'll be up for this but I'm not sure what central time will be at 7:40 a.m. EDT. Anyone know ?

About what time will us west coast people be able to see this?

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6:40 for Central

5:40 for Pacific

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Great, 7:40 the time that I have to leave for school.

If this goes the way we'd all like it to, I have GOT to see this. Lets go IAAPA!

Perhaps we should contact the good people at consumerfreedom.com and show them Markey's arguments. I'm sure they'd love it.

I could be wrong, but don't those early shows (Good Morning America, Early Show, Today) air at 7:00 AM no matter which time zone you're in? I'm in CST and I'm positive that those shows don't come on until 7. Think about it. Would they really want to begin the shows at 6:00 AM CST, 5:00 AM MST, or 4:00 AM PST? Everyone's still in bed!

Could just be the Chicago market though.

A lot of the early shows start around 5:00 AM there mostley on because of everyone going to work but you probaly already know that.Anyway let's go IAAPA! I hope they make Markey look as stupid as he really is *** This post was edited by SFOT RULES on 6/26/2002. ***

This does look awesome, but there's no chance in hell that I'll be up for it, someone post a review of it please.

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What???? Did I just hear Markey correctly?!? DId he just say more people are killed on coasters than planes, trains, and busses??? Please tell me I heard that wrong (it IS early....heheheheh) How can he come out and blatently lie like that? Oh, that's right...he is a politician :)

Yes, you heard correct. And you notice after Powers siad all that stuff about how people get injuried in other things how he gave such a vage answer. He wasn't ready for that question.

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That was a lame debate though. Both sides need more than the 5 min provided to get in a good argument.

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The screwy statistic he threw out stated that "more people are killed, per mile traveled, on coaster than on planes, trains, and busses."

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I watched the whole show and didn't see anything

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dammm....i missed it. I turned mt tv on at 7:43. That sucks, I tought it would hae been longer.

ACEerCG is correct. The statistic was PER MILE. I wonder how long it took Markey to calculate that? It was a stupid debate, obviously done for ratings which is the norm in today's irresponsible era of journalism.

IAAPA needs to find themselves a new spokesperson. That guy did a poor job of making an argument. Are you telling me he didn't know about the Orange County Register article that came out yesterday? If they want to be taken seriously as an industry, they need some serious people making serious arguments.

Dave's point is a good one. The tired argument of "rides are safe, just look at statistics" just isn't cutting it. They need some third party support, which the Register article provided. Some would argue that the statistics are not complete since accident reporting varies from state to state. That argument actually favors Markey.

Don't get me wrong, I think Markey is still an idiot. I just would like to have seen some intelligent remarks from our side.

Edit: Actually, the IAAPA guy did bring up one interesting statistic about two football players pulling 20Gs when they hit each other in the middle of the field. But, it didn't make up for the rest of his "argument". *** This post was edited by wahoo skipper on 6/26/2002. ***

Man that debate sucked ! All they did was get louder and louder at each other, and they did'nt prove anything eaither. That was Stupid.That guy from IAAPA should have stood up a little more for the industry.

I thought the "debate" (if you even want to call it that) touched on very little. The IAAPA rep didn't even have the opportunity to comment/remark on Markey's bit about "coaster riders experiencing as much G-force as astronauts" (which was clearly inaccurate given the fact riders only experience these forces a mere fraction of that amount of time). It's hard to draw any conclusions from what I saw this morning - but one thing is for sure, I think this is all being blown largely out of proportion by somebody who really doesn't understand the amusement industry or the safeguards that are already in place. I doubt too many people would want to jump on his bandwagon given the evidence that is out there proving the contrary.

As for the mother of that little boy who lost his leg (I would assume this is the young lad who lost his leg while riding Big Thunder Mountain RR at Disneyland....his leg was outside the car as it pulled into the station), I think her concerns are understandable. But this would never have happened if obvious precautions were taken. When the recording says "keep your arms and legs inside the car at all times," you'd better do it.

There's too many other important issues out there - why try to start something with an industry which has an unfailing record of safety? Oh well, try to figure out people and look at what you get.....

Ummm...Jeff, I didn't see the segment, but apparently others here did.

It's easy to make the case that rides are safe, that the amusement industry has a vested interest in making sure that rides are safe, and so on. But the specific argument used by IAAPA tends to be strictly a statistical argument...and it is an argument that the opposition, using the same figures from the same sources, can twist around very easily.

Every time I read an IAAPA release on ride safety, it comes off sounding evasive, and that's exactly what IAAPA DOES NOT want people to hear. Too many qualifiers. Not enough passion.

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

I didn't see the show but, after reading the posts it looks like it wasn't good.

Someone from this site should have been the spokesperson.